Boris Johnson to hold press conference at 4pm

[Kinky Gerbil]

More fear porn for everyone to suck up. How convenient a nice excuse to blame Xmas u turn on.

They have been aware of this since Sept it seems.

So why announce now?

What ever side of the argument you sit - you have to agree this government is a bunch of clowns.

Whitty was taking apart his own stats at the last liaison meeting

 

[Napper]

Absolutely. ANY other party would have prevented Coronavirus, or maybe banned it.

failure after failure and we top europe for deaths.

Any other party wouldnt of done as badly , challenging but every single thing they have ballsed up

So well done all who voted

 

[rogersix]

don’t dispute that, so is Cummings and loads of other of the ‘elitist’ political berks who have felt they are above the advice.

But Boris could be the biggest twats the world has ever seen, it still doesn’t mitigate the damage the selfish individuals have caused.

agreed, just saying that bj, as an individual, has to get his share of the blame

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Anyone who even did infant school maths can tell you that this does not represent an upward trend. This is against rising cases. Why are people so gullible? In fact you can clearly see that the current wave is starting a decline.

Hospitals are full again, the billion pound Elizabeth hospitals are empty, the track and trace system is not world beating, people are ignoring all advise.
If you live in the SE you have it bad.
What is going on in your head.

 

[Notters]

Anyone who even did infant school maths can tell you that this does not represent an upward trend. This is against rising cases. Why are people so gullible? In fact you can clearly see that the current wave is starting a decline.

It's literally following the same curve as the cases but a couple of weeks behind, just in the slight dip now

 

[wakeytom]

Anyone who even did infant school maths can tell you that this does not represent an upward trend. This is against rising cases. Why are people so gullible? In fact you can clearly see that the current wave is starting a decline.

Isnt that the whole of the UK, when the discussion is around the south east specifically? You can always find data to prove your point if you look hard enough

 

[Lower West Stander]

There is currently no evidence either way. It is being investigated.
You have misrepresented Chris Whitty as he was just pointing this out.

I do have some sympathy with the Government although I totally agree they have been awful in the way they have handled this.

This isn’t just about a new strain infecting more people. It’s about mental health and well-being too. Thousands of elderly have been forced to self isolate for months without friends or family to hug, talk to or love. Are these months of sheer misery worth it? To some, yes. To others not.

Whitty only seems interested in the spread of the virus, not of the incredibly damaging byproducts that go with it. As my 72 year old Aunty (who lives in Manchester) said - a year of life is a lot to lose at an old age. The elderly are suffering as much from isolation as they are from the disease itself.

There is no doubt a lot of people have also died because of COVID and not through it. My partner, who is an NHS ward sister in an elderly dementia ward sees a lot of the elderly with other life threatening illnesses leaving it too late to come into hospital because they are afraid of catching COVID. They are then leaving it too late and becoming seriously ill anyway.

My own view is that the Government are so in thrall of Whitty and Sage (who can’t even agree amongst themselves) they have lost sight of the bigger picture. They need to put across a consistent message of common sense with people understanding the risks. Be sensible, wear a mask, keep your distance and go to the hospital if your are ill. People are going to die of COVID, flu and all sorts of other things at this of year, that is an inconvenient truth which simply cannot be micromanaged.


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[worthingseagull123]

He is announcing restrictions, travel before the rules come into effect (if you can).

I am ready to leave now to visit family in the Midlands. We have taken the necessary precautions (not seeing anyone outside our bubble for weeks). We have assessed the risks and have decided that we don’t want to spend the Christmas period alone.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Is that the guy who said he wasn’t going to make COVID a political battle and he would back the government?

It’s not political is it? Starmer has consistently sided with SAGE and the scientific advice given to the Government. When Boris went against the advice of SAGE and did not introduce a September circuit breaker, Labour sided with SAGE instead of the Government. Labour & SAGE were right and a new late lockdown swiftly followed the mistake not to take a circuit breaker.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Isnt that the whole of the UK, when the discussion is around the south east specifically? You can always find data to prove your point if you look hard enough

Exactly, the deaths have dipped but that is because the NW and Midlands have reduced totals a little. It is surprising how few people have any idea about the concept of lag. In all likelihood, the SE and London mortality rates will climb a fair bit more.

 

[wakeytom]

Exactly, the deaths have dipped but that is because the NW and Midlands have reduced totals a little. It is surprising how few people have any idea about the concept of lag. In all likelihood, the SE and London mortality rates will climb a fair bit more.

This is exactly it. You cannot take the UK as a whole. You need to manage flash areas.

We had it easy before when Manchester and Liverpool where put in Tier 3, now we have a higher rate so people need to stop being childish about it

 

[Half Time Pies]

Anyone who even did infant school maths can tell you that this does not represent an upward trend. This is against rising cases. Why are people so gullible? In fact you can clearly see that the current wave is starting a decline.

Im no virologist but presumably when you see a track up in deaths its too late, a rise in cases will likely result in a rise in deaths but not immediately (some weeks later). Cases as I understand it have risen sharply 32% in a week.

 

[A mex eyecan]

just heard through works whatsapp that a rumour is starting that BJ is resigning in January? seems unlikely to me and i dint do twitter or such, anyone else hearing this?

 

[The Wizard]

Hospitals are not full, they are less busy than same time last year, that is a fact, how I don’t know? Perhaps because FLU rates are so low but to be honest I’m so sick of all things COVID now I don’t even have the energy to debate or argue with people on here anymore but anyone who believes anything that comes out of this clueless bunch of buffoons mouths give your head a wobble.

 

[theboybilly]

Right that's it I'm going to Aldi.

Tier 5

 

[jimhigham]

...and they don't want to be the odd one out in Europe.

Irony.

 

[doogie004]

just heard through works whatsapp that a rumour is starting that BJ is resigning in January? seems unlikely to me and i dint do twitter or such, anyone else hearing this?

Have never been ITK but picked up a journalist a couple of weeks ago and talking about putting the world to rights on the way to Heathrow and got round to Boris ... through his contacts told me this and the reason why


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[LamieRobertson]

Hospitals are not full, they are less busy than same time last year, that is a fact, how I don’t know? Perhaps because FLU rates are so low but to be honest I’m so sick of all things COVID now I don’t even have the energy to debate or argue with people on here anymore but anyone who believes anything that comes out of this clueless bunch of buffoons mouths give your head a wobble.

 

[atomised]

just heard through works whatsapp that a rumour is starting that BJ is resigning in January? seems unlikely to me and i dint do twitter or such, anyone else hearing this?

It's definitely been rumoured for a while

 

[Birdie Boy]

failure after failure and we top europe for deaths.

Any other party wouldnt of done as badly , challenging but every single thing they have ballsed up

So well done all who voted

You really really don't know that any other party wouldn't have done as bad. They may have done worse, a lot worse or maybe better, we will never know.
I would certainly hazard a guess that Corbyn would have done worse.