[Politics] Boris Johnson, the new UK Prime Minister

[ManOfSussex]

Chloe Westley. Matthew Elliot. Dominic Cummings.

I think it is obvious what is happening.

Am I rattled? Yes, I am. Because this is so dangerous and could work. Having used Brexit to stoke up division and blind people to anything else, the powers behind these people (the dark money donors of IEA, TPA and Policy Exchange) are now using this moment to shift the UK decisively to the right and to open the doors of 'Tax Haven UK'. This is the same shift from democracy to Oligarchy that we have seen elsewhere.

As i said, it could work. The media are, in most part, supine. Dazzled by the 'Boris' factor and under orders of their owners and controllers. Meanwhile, too many people have been fooled into thinking this is just about Brexit.

Let's hope the British people are better than this. But recent experience from elsewhere in the world does not give cause for optimism.

Personally I'm not rattled, I'm terrified. It's a right wing, populist takeover and nothing - the break up of The UK, economic, diplomatic, representational damage etc - can get in the way. Singapore model and finish off what Thatcher didn't, here we come.

If you're wealthy you'll be alright, if you're not - best of luck.

 

[SollysLeftFoot]

Farage is why the Tories are in power. If it wasn't him putting the willies up Cameron we would have got Miliband.

Yes, in 2015. What about the 2017 election? Labour didn't do enough. A gain of 30 seats against an uncharismatic and indecisive May who couldn't command the respect of her MPs? They begun to lose traction in their heartlands. Corbyn is holding Labour back, they need a more young and charismatic leader to take on Johnson.

If an election was called right now, would you have confidence in Labour's leadership in taking the fight to the Tories? I don't.

Just to add, it isn't necessarily Corbyn's ideas that I think are the problem (though I disagree with them as I am a small c conservative), it's ability to communicate his ideas and principles. I don't think he has enough in him to do it, they need a leader with Blair's energy without necessarily giving up on the democratic socialist principles.

Personally I'm not rattled, I'm terrified. It's a right wing, populist takeover and nothing - the break up of The UK, economic, diplomatic, representational damage etc - can get in the way. Singapore model and finish off what Thatcher didn't, here we come.

If you're wealthy you'll be alright, if you're not - best of luck.

Why are people so scared of the Singaporean model? Genuine question, because I'm intrigued to know why people are.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This is a disgraceful appointment and MUST be heavily challenged. Oh yeah but Parliament is now in recess. The Conservatives have gone down an extremely dark path.

Talking of dark paths, the Telegraph's headline states.

Boris can win the Brexit war by smashing the Remainer enemy in a snap election.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...it-war-smashing-remainer-enemy-snap-election/

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

55 Tufton Street

http://www.brexitshambles.com/brexit-scam-we-need-to-talk-about-tufton-street/

Recommended - if scary - reading. Thanks for the link. One of the many issues arising is that these sinister (or at least shadowy) organisations which wield power without accountability or transparency were so successful in campaigning under a general banner of the lack of democracy within the EU. I really would urge reasonable Brexiteers (and we have some around here) to see who they are sharing their bad with. (Please do not respond with the usual whataboutary with respect to Corbyn's background.)

 

[highflyer]

Recommended - if scary - reading. Thanks for the link. One of the many issues arising is that these sinister (or at least shadowy) organisations which wield power without accountability or transparency were so successful in campaigning under a general banner of the lack of democracy within the EU. I really would urge reasonable Brexiteers (and we have some around here) to see who they are sharing their bad with. (Please do not respond with the usual whataboutary with respect to Corbyn's background.)

I think as soon as you define yourself primarily as a 'leaver' or 'remainer' you are already playing their game.
I have never thought of myself as one or the other. I voted remain, but would have been comfortable with Norway style brexit.

What this lot fear most is not a reversal of Brexit (that could play straight into their hands) but a compromise via parliamentary majority - eg a workable soft brexit. That will undermine them more than anything by re-establishing the primacy of parliamentary democracy. With parliament in control they know they won't see the levels of deregulation and privatization they want (because these are not widely popular policies anymore and cannot be delivered via a democratic process).

This is why Labour have kept the option of soft Brexit on the table but only if there is GE that changes the parliamentary arithmetic to make soft brexit possible. Obviously you could argue if you get to that point, why not just revoke? But that would undermine support in key areas and make genuinely progressive policies harder to implement long term.

In my view, it's the correct line to take. Others may differ...

 

[JCL666]

**** me what a state Geoff Norcott is. “Ohhh look at me, I’m a working class Tory comic. You don’t get many of them.”

Except for the fact that Saturday night telly when I grew up was absolutely full of the back to fronts. Davidson, Tarbie, Manning. Working class golf club halfwits with jokes that were as funny as malaria.

Still, don’t let that stop you doing avocado jokes or joining a protest organised by the hard left against the hard left that must be the only one of its kind in Britain.

And don’t pretend not to know what Cowes Week is you absolute gimp
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Geoff Norcott is an idiot.

He's part of that weird contradiction... "I'm working class, and believe that you work hard and get what you deserve" vs "Look at these people who've worked hard and are reaping the benefits, they're ruining it for the rest of us".

Good review here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...f-norcott-housing-state-schools-a9017801.html

 

[clapham_gull]

Geoff Norcott is an idiot.

He's part of that weird contradiction... "I'm working class, and believe that you work hard and get what you deserve" vs "Look at these people who've worked hard and are reaping the benefits, they're ruining it for the rest of us".

Good review here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...f-norcott-housing-state-schools-a9017801.html

He is simply opportunistically right wing for comedy effect just as Ben Elton was opportunistically left wing in the 80s.

 

[Grombleton]

Talking of dark paths, the Telegraph's headline states.

Boris can win the Brexit war by smashing the Remainer enemy in a snap election.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...it-war-smashing-remainer-enemy-snap-election/

They do love an 'us v them' mentality, don't they. Divide & conquer. Though anyone that falls for it has already been divided, they just can't see past it.

 

[highflyer]

Geoff Norcott is an idiot.

He's part of that weird contradiction... "I'm working class, and believe that you work hard and get what you deserve" vs "Look at these people who've worked hard and are reaping the benefits, they're ruining it for the rest of us".

Good review here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...f-norcott-housing-state-schools-a9017801.html

I am not really sure we were all meant to take it completely seriously.

I quite enjoyed it. Sorry.

Only bit that I struggled with was (after he'd seemingly established what he meant by working class through interviews and examples with people with all kinds of backgrounds) he then referred to 'working class traditions' being lost. What does that mean? 'Traditional working class' is generally used as racist code, for 'white working class'.

 

[Titanic]

 

[highflyer]

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https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/the-ayn-rand-scene-sajid-javid-reads-every-year/

A grown up man that take Ayn Rand seriously is no working class hero!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

They do love an 'us v them' mentality, don't they. Divide & conquer. Though anyone that falls for it has already been divided, they just can't see past it.

So much for Johnson wanting unity.

 

[Grombleton]

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Puh-lease, They didn't exactly pick him up from the streets, did they I admit he worked hard (a career making millions in banking helps that) but that is terrifically misleading.

Shouldn't surprise me coming from the Tories.

 

[highflyer]

Puh-lease, They didn't exactly pick him up from the streets, did they I admit he worked hard (a career making millions in banking helps that) but that is terrifically misleading.

Shouldn't surprise me coming from the Tories.

Also, the first Chancellor (as far as I am aware) in history with an official recorded background as a tax dodger:
http://nicholaswilson.com/sajid-javid-home-secretary-is-a-tax-evader/

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Of course the electorate could relate to him. His mother was a nurse, his father a toolmaker. He went into law via university because of his high marks in eleven plus. He comes from modest beginings but is a highly intelligent and articulate man. He family is from a Labour back ground but he is not an extremist in any way.......just a nobody made good and sticking to his left of central values. Just what Labour needs to break the stranglehold of the centre right media driven politics we have endured under Cameron, May and now Boris.

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I haven't voted Labour for a long time, but I have met Keir Starmer several times when I was working. He is very genuine and intelligent man.
If Labour made him the opposition leader, then the Tories would be in trouble. They don't have the monopoly of working class made good. In fact, I would go so far as to say Sajid will be thrown under a bus, if necessary for the far right to get their own way.

 

[JCL666]

I am not really sure we were all meant to take it completely seriously.

I quite enjoyed it. Sorry.

Only bit that I struggled with was (after he'd seemingly established what he meant by working class through interviews and examples with people with all kinds of backgrounds) he then referred to 'working class traditions' being lost. What does that mean? 'Traditional working class' is generally used as racist code, for 'white working class'.

No need to apologise, he is actually quite funny.

It's his attempt at social commentary that's a bit lame.

I probably just think he's an idiot because I like avocados.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

All the same.

Taxpayer handed Nick Clegg close to the £115,000 maximum in expenses for carrying out 'public duties' last year despite the ex-deputy PM taking a full-time Facebook job with a £1MILLION salary

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...c-duty-expenses-despite-1m-Facebook-role.html

 

[CHAPPERS]

Sajid Javid has been praising Nigel Farage and is about to take on Matthew Elliot of the TaxPayer's Alliance as his advisor but yeah whatever eh his Dad was a bus driver and that!

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-chief-matthew-elliott-as-sajid-javid-adviser

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Deleted. On reflection I can’t be arsed to respond to you.

Fair enough. Thanks for not wasting my time also.

And there lies the rub. Not everyone who voted out was quite so equivocal. Indeed there are people on NSC who voted out and have now changed their mind based on how it has played out.

Your argument falls down right there, the first sentence. The rest of your post is just noise. We shouldn't risk sending the country into recession just because YOU decided OUT means OUT.

Come on it wasn't just me who believes out mean out, the problem is all the noise you have been tuned into is that of Cooper, Kyle and co, these are the very same MPs that are likely to spend, spend and spend if in office and the tories will mop up the mess again.
There is a balance and Boris may just surprise you if YOU stop believing in the negetive noise and let Boris do the near impossible.
Surely you must be embarrassed about these fools with ballons of Boris and Trump as it just shows the vile nasty side of lefties that don't get their way?

Fine. But don’t come running to the tax payer for benefits when the construction sector has laid you off. Stand by your word and weather the storm.

HT I am realistic what life brings and will roll up my sleeves and fight whatever life throws at me, because that is what you have to do in the modern day competetive life.
It's time the UK let the europeans chase us for a bit.

Thanks for that, I'm not even over the last recession ! I suppose i'm like the horse in Animal Farm I get sacrificed for the common good... except that the "common people " don't benefit, just the PPigs./QUOTE]

Sorry about that but thats why the saying 'make hay while the sun is shining' is so true and will always be that way.
Can I suggest you are reading the wrong material.

 

[highflyer]

I haven't voted Labour for a long time, but I have met Keir Starmer several times when I was working. He is very genuine and intelligent man.
If Labour made him the opposition leader, then the Tories would be in trouble. They don't have the monopoly of working class made good. In fact, I would go so far as to say Sajid will be thrown under a bus, if necessary for the far right to get their own way.

Starmer seems very good. Contrary to the right wing media depiction, John McDonnell is the most impressive politician I have met by a very long way. And 'genuine working class made good', if that matters. He's really pulling most of the policy strings behind the scenes. And building bridges with those 'business leaders' prepared to listen and talk: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...nell-opens-his-ears-to-big-business-j597ks3qk

Strangely this regularly fails to register with those desperately trying to paint Corbyn's regime as a bunch of 'Islington luvvies'