[Politics] Boris Johnson, the new UK Prime Minister

[Gwylan]

How about if he plays for No Deal by default? Doesn't put a further extension on the table to the EU waiting for them to pull the trigger on us on 31st Oct. The "Mexican Stand-off" approach.

Yes, that's a possibility. But that approach could well trigger a vote of no confidence and the signs are that, if a No Deal was the favoured option, he'd lose a vote. I see reports say that something like 40 Tory MPs would vote against him - even if it's half that, it's a hell of a rebellion

 

[beorhthelm]

Forget Brexit for a moment. This is the takeover of party and government by a right wing group committed to some nebulous idea of Britains " greatness". Just read the book "Brittania Unchained" to see what they believein. They seek after the kind of "efficiency" enjoyed in Singapore, South Korea, maybe even China itself. It is a very idealogical vision that dies nog embrace individual difference or fulfillment

so not all bad then.

 

[Titanic]

Jake Berry is Minister of State at the Cabinet Office and the Ministry of Housing, Communities & Local Government. He will also attend Cabinet.

 

[clapham_gull]

so not all bad then.

Not really, it's how they want to go about it. Rather than looking at a German model it goes all gung-ho sweatshop.

Once they enter the workplace, the British are among the worst idlers in the world. We work among the lowest hours, we retire early and our productivity is poor.

We must stop bailing out the reckless, avoiding all risk, and rewarding laziness

Too many people in Britain prefer a lie-in to hard work.

Three of the authors are now in the Cabinet.

 

[beorhthelm]

Not really, it's how they want to go about it. Rather than looking at a German model it goes all gung-ho sweatshop.

are those statements incorrect? the problem with applying a "German model" is that we are not German, i'm afraid the points highlighted sound rather accurate and not at all german-like. agree its about how they go about addressing issues, step one is identify the problems.

 

[Stat Brother]

I take it this is in here, somewhere, but just in case:-

 

[clapham_gull]

are those statements incorrect? the problem with applying a "German model" is that we are not German, i'm afraid the points highlighted sound rather accurate and not at all german-like. agree its about how they go about addressing issues, step one is identify the problems.

We aren't Chinese either. This is a group of controversial neo-liberal MPs who think Thatcher was too left wing. It's a very controversial book as are ideas of the economist that Rees Mogg prays to.

What is interesting is that May wanted to look at adopting some German idea regarding productivity, but when she lost her majority it was shelved.

 

[Seasidesage]

If this government lasts till Christmas I'll be surprised. If Boris lasts much longer I'll be genuinely shocked. I cannot see how he can deliver no deal or pretty much any deal with this parliament and he'll be forced to go to the country. From there looking at the polls its hard to see how he gets a majority or anyone else for that matter, and I just cannot see any coalition of whatever make up allowing Boris to be PM.

We are in for a period of turmoil with no positive outcome one way or the other IMO. I can see a scenario where we could have 2/3 GE's in the next 18 months or so before someone gets a workable majority for anything. I dread to think of the state of the nation by then. Whatever your views on Brexit we are in for tough times IMO. Really hope I'm wrong.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Politicians tend to lie about the future, the difference with Boris (and Trump) is that they will openly lie about the past and present.

Boris has also been sacked from two very high profile jobs for telling porkies.

Read a few books about it. He is politically very liberal but a complete opportunist. Odd hero for you to have.

He rolled a dice before the referendum and decided to go against Cameron. He was obsessed with Cameron not the EU.

After Brexit as a continuation of his "take advantage of Brexit to be PM" plan, he was discussing with foreign ambassadors he wanted to retain freedom of movement. That didn't work.

This time he has won with the help of the loony right of the Conservative party who voted for him (although they are very politically opposed) because they knew he was popular with the party.

Now it's pay back time and he has been forced to fill his cabinet with them. It's gonna end in tears.

Thatcher would have held him on a tight lead as she did with Archer. A similar character who was very very popular with the members but eventually got found out.

How very unpleasant you are.

On the liar point, he is a congenital and serial liar. He has been sacked for lying both as a journalist and as a politician. As PM in the current situation he will be under greater scrutiny than he has ever been before, so maybe he won't be able to.

In terms of the job he and his right wing government have to do, I sincerely hope for all our sakes he makes a success of it. I have absolutely no Faith at all that he will. And if it comes to a "no deal", it will be us who suffer, not the EU.

And if it were to come to that, there would be the very real possibility of civil unrest from the other side. I read a report yesterday which said he had been visibly shaken when warned of this possibility by his advisers. He's damned if he does and he's damned if he doesn't.

And of course it will all be the EU's fault - the so-called bully boys of Europe who are doing nothing more than saying we have negotiated a deal and we are sticking with it. Nick Robinson's programme on Brexit last week seemed to me to show that the major figures in the EU have a much better understanding of our position than we do, like understanding, for example, just how important the question of the Irish backstop and Irish border is, particularly for the Irish.

He promises to do Brexit by the end of October, with a no deal if necessary, and to unite the country. The two statements are incompatible. There is a difference between saying what you are going to do..... And actually doing it.

When there is another referendum it will be one of the greatest achievements of U.K. democracy.

And “war on the streets”. Bring it on, a few thousand gammon from the villages visit London for an afternoon on the beer, shirts off (just like following England abroad) and a few fisty cuffs with the old bill. There is only one winner and will be great tv.

I would love to discuss this with you guys, but it is just going to go in circles and we are all going to get hot under the collar.
I am just trying to relay that a 2nd referendum will ignite this country that will never ever be repaired.
Put up with the result let Boris have ago, yes he has some nasty MPs in parliment hell bent on stopping Brexit and they are stoking up a potential explosion, your chukas, Lucas and Swinson's are lighting the touch paper they are modern day Guy Fawkes and people need to stop supporting these leftie loonies or fireworks night could be the biggest and long term fireworks night ever.


#backinganyoneapartfrom2ndreferendum

 

[Gwylan]

are those statements incorrect?

Working the lowest hours is - the UK are second in the EU league table for hours worked (the country that works the longest is Greece)
We don't retire early either, we pretty much in line with the rest of Europe for men while our retirement age for women is one of the highest in the EU
Our productivity is the lowest, so that's right, but there are many factors at play there - it's certainly not because the workforce is lazy

 

[blue-shifted]

Would you be involved in the war on the street Mouldy?

I see the vast majority of the hate coming from left remainers, still stamping their feet saying it's not fair, If they get their way and have another referendum It will be nothing short of scandalous and will bring British politics even lower than it is today, remember the Brexit side have no reason to be hateful yet, but come November 1st there could be war on the streets. The remainers need to see the bigger picture, and accept the 2016 result or face far worse consequences there is an underlying simmering that will boil over.

#backtheboris

As for this predictable liar campaign against him, you name a politician that doesn't lie to make a point.

 

[clapham_gull]

Lib Dems already trying to persuade Corbyn this morning to join a no-confidence vote.

Bizarre turn of events, the Boris administration is in a weaker position that the one before.

They are at least 40 Tory MPs looking to rebel against a no-deal.

 

[blue-shifted]

Withdrawal of payments = soveriegn default = Never going to happen and both sides know it

No deal = The most likely of a series of unlikely outcomes, one of which has to happen

But yes you’re right, both threats are pathetic and would cause is inordinate harm for generations

Boris thinks he will rattle them, but he and everyone else who threatens no deal and the withdrawal of payments are in my view pathetic.
Who is a no deal going to harm? Britain.
The German car manufacturers who will find it more difficult to sell their cars over here will cop with it, because for them the EU and it's principles are more important than the trade questions, and always have been.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Lib Dems already trying to persuade Corbyn this morning to join a no-confidence vote.

Bizarre turn of events, the Boris administration is in a weaker position that the one before.

They are at least 40 Tory MPs looking to rebel against a no-deal.

Perhaps early doors point scoring by the Lib Dems? I can’t see Johnson losing a no confidence vote this early, even if he is a blithering idiot.

 

[BLOCK F]

Shit or bust, really.
Like it or not, BJ has set out his stall. Unless there is a vote of no confidence that he loses, we'll have to see what happens between now and 31st October.
Although I voted remain, I stand by the democratic vote and hope, for the sake of the country, that a deal can be done.
If it isn't, I can see a GE heading our way, probably ending with no overall majority. As to what is cobbled together after that, in the words of the Beach Boys, God Only Knows!

 

[vegster]

Perhaps early doors point scoring by the Lib Dems? I can’t see Johnson losing a no confidence vote this early, even if he is a blithering idiot.

I'm just wondering which of the loons in Cabinet is going to get the huff first and resign. Either that or, the first to see at close hand that Johnson is incompetent and,jumps before the train comes off the tracks !

 

[blue-shifted]

We aren't Chinese either. This is a group of controversial neo-liberal MPs who think Thatcher was too left wing. It's a very controversial book as are ideas of the economist that Rees Mogg prays to.

What is interesting is that May wanted to look at adopting some German idea regarding productivity, but when she lost her majority it was shelved.

Yes, so I think Brexit isn’t the end goal for Rees Mogg, Baker, Francois and the other collection of recently elevated public school loons.

The end goal is colossal deregulation. shrinkage of the state, environmental protections, workers rights etc. Thatcherism plus

 

[Dick Head]

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[beorhthelm]

Perhaps early doors point scoring by the Lib Dems? I can’t see Johnson losing a no confidence vote this early, even if he is a blithering idiot.

hasnt Corbyn already called for vote but not yet? it would be the wrong time to call no-confidence, when nothing has been done and the party and NI allies can come in behind Johnson. if they have sense they wait until there has been some backbench rebellion and clear a group will at least abstain.

 

[Stat Brother]

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