Blimey, the Shadow Home Minister has resigned!

[London Calling]

Exactly. It is also fuelling speculation that they didn't agree on 42 days, that Cameron didn't sanction the DD move, basically, that there are chinks at the surface of party unity.

And that is something the Tories, or any party, wants to avoid.

But Davis wants power. He isn't going to upseat Cameron at the mo.

He will get his 5 mins of fame, in northern no where and then return to the back benches, for what?

There is no guarantee that the Lords will even allow this extension through?

Something tells me there is some hidden agenda in here.

 

[bigc]

But Davis wants power. He isn't going to upseat Cameron at the mo.

He will get his 5 mins of fame, in northern no where and then return to the back benches, for what?

There is no guarantee that the Lords will even allow this extension through?

Something tells me there is some hidden agenda in here.

Political ego's can be very strange things. I know it seems like a hidden agenda but if that is true, it has gone very badly wrong because like I said, it is hindering them getting their red top Sun voters back.

 

[London Calling]

I watched Question time last night, I was surprided how literate and liberal minded the Sun Political editor was.

 

[bigc]

I watched Question time last night, I was surprided how literate and liberal minded the Sun Political editor was.

I guess the adage should be, it is written FOR the readers, not by the readers.

 

[London Calling]

I guess the adage should be, it is written FOR the readers, not by the readers.

Plus how more sympathetic he was to the labour Politician, (who I thought was appalling and suggested he had a couple too many beers before) than the other punters.

 

[bigc]

Plus how more sympathetic he was to the labour Politician, (who I thought was appalling and suggested he had a couple too many beers before) than the other punters.

Who was that then?

 

[London Calling]

Tony McNulty

 

[bigc]

Tony McNulty

Perhaps he had some of the City Hall wine...

 

[Don't get me started]

It could however be that Cameron put our civil liberties before populist pandering. I find it really odd that that the left to whom I have always looked for protection of our liberties are now responsible for the illiberal erosion of so many of our freedoms. Shame on them.

Is that the same left that ran the Soviet union and eastern bloc for many years or China maybe... The curtailment of civil liberties is no surprise to me with this government just the devious way they have done it.

So devious that reading the press and websites today not many people believe it still. David Davis should be knighted for this, he will gradually expose this rotton goverment for they have been getting upto.

I must say the new CCTV cameras in the Drive look lovely. I am sure they are there for ALL the right reasons.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I'm split on this one.

On the one hand I listen to the police and security services, who all want 42 days. On the other I listen to David Davis, who I've always thought of as a decent Tory and a man guided by principle.

Given that the Tories look like winning the next general election the country will lose out by not having Davis as Home Sec. I hope that this matter is resolved.

Overall, I can understand the government's desire for the 42 days, but they go and shoot themselves in the foot by ploughing on with this ludicrous ID card project. Why can't they learn to take an even-handed approach?

 

[looney]

National Security

1 Secure the borders so you know who is comming and going and to where

2 Raise military spending.

3 expell undisrables who are a threat to nation security if they are rabble rousing or waging war on us.


So who thinks labour really have a clue?

This is what any sane nation will do. ID Cards and 6 weeks detention are just ways of intimidating and trying to controll the native population(regardless of race etc). Its another step towards tyranny.

I want my liberties back, I want my guns back and I want my country back!!!!

 

[The Merry Prankster]

Is that the same left that ran the Soviet union and eastern bloc for many years or China maybe... The curtailment of civil liberties is no surprise to me with this government just the devious way they have done it

No not that left , a different more tolerant, peaceful and cuddly left. Gone now.

 

[withdeanwombat]

Everybody should be subject to 42 days lock up every couple of years so thorough background checks can be done on everyone.

It would only be the same amount of time wasted on holidays and it would be free.

Its just so,....................sensible.

 

[Porky]

I still can't understand why he would resign his seat, and then stand in a bye election for an area he already represets. Or am I missing something?

 

[London Calling]

I'm split on this one.

On the one hand I listen to the police and security services, who all want 42 days. On the other I listen to David Davis, who I've always thought of as a decent Tory and a man guided by principle.

Given that the Tories look like winning the next general election the country will lose out by not having Davis as Home Sec. I hope that this matter is resolved.

Overall, I can understand the government's desire for the 42 days, but they go and shoot themselves in the foot by ploughing on with this ludicrous ID card project. Why can't they learn to take an even-handed approach?

Sometimes they just don't know when to put the brakes on, open the window and throw out the rubbish.

We were talking last night about the nuclear waste industry initiative.

Yet another crack pot idea, started by Blair and left with Brown.

 

[sten_super]

I still can't understand why he would resign his seat, and then stand in a bye election for an area he already represets. Or am I missing something?

He's trying to raise awareness nationally for the issue of 42 day detention; it's the only issue that he'll be campaigning on apparently.

 

[London Calling]

He's trying to raise awareness nationally for the issue of 42 day detention; it's the only issue that he'll be campaigning on apparently.

mmmmmmmmmmm

just after its been in the press for weeks, debated in Parliament and of course was also discussed last year under the 90 day imprisonment?

 

[sten_super]

mmmmmmmmmmm

just after its been in the press for weeks, debated in Parliament and of course was also discussed last year under the 90 day imprisonment?

Why would you suggest he is trying to do it then?

There is of course the self-promotion attached to it, as I've suggested in previous posts; but this publicising of the errosion of civil liberties certainly seems to be at the heart of his reasoning.

 

[beorhthelm]

On the one hand I listen to the police and security services, who all want 42 days.

well the police said they needed 56 days or whatever when it came up before (reduced to 28) and will take whatever powers they think they can get. Then misuse them. and it havent been unanimous either with several voices against it or admitting its unnecessary.

just after its been in the press for weeks, debated in Parliament and of course was also discussed last year under the 90 day imprisonment?

the press seem to have been behind it and led the public. i think he wants to raise the counter arguements more strongly. I am genuinly surprised the public has fallen for the "it will save lives" argument which is what the Government argument all boils down to, which is patently rubbish, and meanwhile we rail road through another loss of our freedom.

however... i think he may have ballsed up. Having instantly turned the spot light off the weakness of the government and what deals might have been done to secure MPs vote, the focus of debate now seems to be about how this will effect the Tory party in the medium term. the issues surrounding the period of detention have been put in the shade yet again.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

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