Absolute nonsense. EVERYONE was overlooked because until it all went wrong in Germany, Hyypia had guided Leverkusen to the Champions League, two years running.
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- Thread starter pottert
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Absolute nonsense. EVERYONE was overlooked because until it all went wrong in Germany, Hyypia had guided Leverkusen to the Champions League, two years running.
I was responding to a quote which I highlighted - However, in answer to your question. No I don't think that at all
alfredmizen
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- Mar 11, 2015
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I agree , this can be done by the aforementioned black players losing their victim mentality and getting on with it like everybody else.
You are correct that some do have that mentality but it is not an issue with only black people. I have a brother who has the same sort of ''victim mentality'' - I also find a lot of people in Liverpool have it, thinking the world owes them a living.
A victim mentality lives within the individual person, not in the colour of their skin
Absolute rubbish, Rosler was interviewed this time round and didnt get the job, was that anti german?
Well I would hope so ..................
CH has never had an issue getting a job though, that is what I said
Was at Spurs for years (where he is loved) , was let go when Jol was sacked as Ramos wanted to bring in his own men.
Went to Newcastle 5 months later
Made newcastle manager after being caretaker for a while
Sacked by a idiot of a chairman (not racist, just an idiot)
Took over Birmingham in June that year
Head hunted by Norwich at the end of the season
Sacked in April 14 as the had a terrible season and his signings did not work
8 months later at Brighton
Deporting Paul Ince to North Korea would end this.
Where is your comparisons ? The theme of my post is a black manager overlooked even for an interview for a job. You post quotes a white man actually being interviewed for the job but not being successful. it could be argued that the colour of his skin got Rosler through the door and into the interview process but i am sure that was not the case.
I actually know the reason CH wasn't initially interviewed when Hypia got the job and it was nothing to do with the colour of his skin.
On a seperate not the pervious post by Big Gully when he said yes I hope so that it was ''anti german'' when Rosler didn't get the job........Brilliant , made me laugh
I don't actually need to see CH's CV. I know it very well. All that you say is accurate except the following point
''was let go when Jol was sacked as Ramos wanted to bring in his own men''
Thats not true. He was sacked on the very same day as Martin Jol - So the Jaunde Ramos wanting his own men had nothing to do with his sacking
Ramos was in place before Jol was sacked off.
I imagine his terms were already in place as well.
Dyer comes across as thick as shit though. I might listen to him on issues of kicking a football in a straight line but nothing else.
I think a big problem with discussions like this (and similarly sexism, homophobia etc) is that people have an image of racism as always being an overt conscious decision, an obvious and distinct opinion of one race being better or worse. It isn't always like that.
A chairman might in all walks of life not be that sort of racist, they don't look at an application and think 'black? no thank you', but it doesn't mean there isn't some subconscious aversion to a black man as their manager.
As to the idea that managers will feel they didn't get the interview on merit,
Ferdinand told Sky Sports: 'We're not saying you have to give anybody the job - we're just saying "give us an interview" - that's all.
'It's just a case of being able to sit down and put your credentials on the table. At the moment we're not even getting that chance.
'People often talk and say "I'm not racist" and don't even realise that they are being racist because they won't give you that opportunity.
'You may have already decided who your next manager is going to be but if I sit down in front of you I might impress you so much that you might recommend me to someone else.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...style-law-combat-lack-diversity-football.html
From this sky sports interview http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-football-les-ferdinand-calls-for-rooney-rule (I think)
The rooney rule doesn't mean you get the job, it means you get an interview. If you get the job, it's on merit. I think I'd get over the idea I only got the interview so they can fill a quota if I got to pursue the career I want out of it.
A chairman might in all walks of life not be that sort of racist, they don't look at an application and think 'black? no thank you', but it doesn't mean there isn't some subconscious aversion to a black man as their manager.
As to the idea that managers will feel they didn't get the interview on merit,
Ferdinand told Sky Sports: 'We're not saying you have to give anybody the job - we're just saying "give us an interview" - that's all.
'It's just a case of being able to sit down and put your credentials on the table. At the moment we're not even getting that chance.
'People often talk and say "I'm not racist" and don't even realise that they are being racist because they won't give you that opportunity.
'You may have already decided who your next manager is going to be but if I sit down in front of you I might impress you so much that you might recommend me to someone else.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...style-law-combat-lack-diversity-football.html
From this sky sports interview http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-football-les-ferdinand-calls-for-rooney-rule (I think)
The rooney rule doesn't mean you get the job, it means you get an interview. If you get the job, it's on merit. I think I'd get over the idea I only got the interview so they can fill a quota if I got to pursue the career I want out of it.
CH survived about 10 managers being sacked all of whom brought in their own staff. Daniel levy always insisted that Chris stayed so if he wanted Chris to be part of Ramos backroom team he could have insisted on it again
Perfidious Albion
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Have to agree with those who think that this is an over stated problem. In order to judge we need to know how many black applicants there are of equal qualification as the successful candidate. Fans don't care . It is a non issue , we barely notice such things. Nobody would prefer a white (Finnish) Sami to what we have now.
What a perfect summary
Racism some people do not even recognise it within themselves. Look at Ron Atinson ffs. he brought more black players to the forefront of football than any other manager in the 1970s and then look how he was eventually exposed.
He then made the comment smoke screen comment that a lot of racist people use , ''I dont care if you are black, white green or blue'' Well Mr Atkinson I have news for you. There isn't any green men or blue men in this world
Paul Reids Sock
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I think that there are obviously some issues somewhere, but by the laws of averages you will always have some chairmen that are racists and some that are sexists etc.
For me this has only really become an issue in the recent past, as such there hasn't been a lot of time for there to be a catch up. Some people 9in football not this thread) seem to think that there should be a representative number of black or ethnic minority managers over night, however as has been alluded to there aren't many doing the courses. This may be because of historic racism, it may be cultural. However, it will be one of the reasons we haven;t got many coaches as a lot given the jobs have the experience already and are the easy choice. For me a lot of chairmen don't take a big gamble on someone with no experience and as such there will be less black managers at the moment. As the current crop start to retire and the promising black coaches come through then we will (in my opinion) start to see a bit more equality.
For me this has only really become an issue in the recent past, as such there hasn't been a lot of time for there to be a catch up. Some people 9in football not this thread) seem to think that there should be a representative number of black or ethnic minority managers over night, however as has been alluded to there aren't many doing the courses. This may be because of historic racism, it may be cultural. However, it will be one of the reasons we haven;t got many coaches as a lot given the jobs have the experience already and are the easy choice. For me a lot of chairmen don't take a big gamble on someone with no experience and as such there will be less black managers at the moment. As the current crop start to retire and the promising black coaches come through then we will (in my opinion) start to see a bit more equality.
JC Footy Genius
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- Jun 9, 2015
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If as you say Big Ron 'brought more black players to the forefront of football than any other manager in the 1970s' does one racial slur undermine all this ? He apparently didn't care what colour anyone was as long as they were good enough to do the job.
BensGrandad
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One racial slur you say. It was no surprise to people within football when that came out on air. He continually made racist comments and jokes about people. On top of that didn't he actually get either warned or thrown of celebrity Big brother for another racist comment