[Politics] Black Lives Matters on shirts

[El Presidente]

Nailed it there.

This film flam is meaningless, like the North Korean style worship of pride. Those that run football years ago used to vow to keep politics out of football, and that position has shifted and now the chickens have come home to roost. This is a divisive step, and just another one that makes many people fall out of love with football and its clubs.

The sooner we are relegated back to divisions 1 and 2, the sooner we can get back to the days where football was the priority. I know we will lose money and fans, but as far as I can see those that didn’t go to the Goldstone, Gillingham and Withdean are broadly no loss. They can go back to supporting their previous Premiership loves or burping the worm up in Mum’s spare room.

Hasta la victioria siempre.

As well as losing money and fans jobs will be lost too, directly hundreds of them and indirectly many more too.

As a wealthy person living in Bristol I appreciate that you clearly don’t give a damn about the livelihood or employment or people in the city where you were born if it is inconsistent with your political views.

As for politics, it was the protests, marches, creation of the Seagulls party and organisation that brought us to the Amex stadium. I guess you were too busy going through your Paul and Shark knitwear catalogue to notice.

Enjoy spending your share options.


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[birthofanorange]

So do you guys think that the BLM movement is doing good and bringing people together?

Many including Mr Kraay underestimated the feelings of Brexit and scoffed at the idea that anyone would or could vote for it.....WRONG

You lot are so out of touch with the feeling of people. Joe public seeing BLM rioting and defacing the statues and monuments on our streets and get away with it could even rile the local vicar(unless he lives in the bubble) BLM doesn't give a shite about society or they wouldn't be putting lives at risk because of their irresponsible behaviour while we have a KILLER pandemic on our streets.


Like I said race issues will always be there, they are making things more divided in the UK, things were improving it and these sheep have ruined it for decades.


If I and a few mates wore white lives matter t-shirts through the middle of Johannesburg what do you think the outcome would be?


And would it be a clever idea?

I love how you put all those quotes there, yet failed to address a single one of them.
Still, I really expect nothing less from you, as always.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So do you guys think that the BLM movement is doing good and bringing people together?

Change is needed and clearly it’s having an effect https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/08/minneapolis-city-council-police-department-dismantle. So in this sense it’s “doing good. “

Is it bringing people together? Who knows, but I don’t think it’s about bringing people together necessarily. It’s primarily about showing the world people care, raising awareness and enabling change. Again, all the early signs are it’s working.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I love how you put all those quotes there, yet failed to address a single one of them.
Still, I really expect nothing less from you, as always.

How do you think BLM is changing the UK



Just look war on our streets.

The divide is there for decades.

Well done activists with your small minds.

You have achieved nothing but hate.

Pathetic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7fDTcLXTd0

 

[carlzeiss]

The place you want them to be. Which is not irritating white people like you with all this BLM 'nonsense'* as you evidently see it. Why else keep posting whataboutery (images and links to black people being dicks, as if this justifies racism)?

I asked you to explain another post yesterday but you chose to ignore me.

If you won't explain what you mean one has to infer what you mean. I infer you're racist

*in quotes so you can't pretend you don't understand what I'm saying. Half of me still thinks you don't understand. The other half thinks your turning into a troll.

Sorry I missed your question yesterday and haven't seen it , happy to be reminded .

I guess I don't understand the BLM agenda . Perhaps you do and with your no doubt superior intellect and can explain to me why the death of one black man causes international outrage but others don't .
.Why for example does the death of David Dorn not matter to anyone but his family and friends ?

 

[birthofanorange]

Pathetic.

Yes, yes you are. Utterly.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Sorry I missed your question yesterday and haven't seen it , happy to be reminded .

I guess I don't understand the BLM agenda . Perhaps you do and with your no doubt superior intellect and can explain to me why the death of one black man causes international outrage but others don't .
.Why for example does the death of David Dorn not matter to anyone but his family and friends ?

And no one has ever explained to me why there isn’t a straight Pride. No one! It’s health and safety gone mad!

 

[BeHereNow]

White woman gets shot by black policeman...silence.

Black man gets killed by a white policeman...the world goes mad.

We are are supposedly the racist ones.

Bunch of clueless, virtue signalling, band wagon jumping idiots.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=tm86QPhCwFc

 

[BadFish]

How do you think BLM is changing the UK



Just look war on our streets.

The divide is there for decades.

Well done activists with your small minds.

You have achieved nothing but hate.

Pathetic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7fDTcLXTd0

Some people don't seem to have far to go to get to hate.

You can choose what you focus on Mouldy, you make your choices and you see the world how you see it.

I see change and I see love.

You may be the last to change, you may be on the wrong side of history. But it doesn't matter.

 

[BadFish]

I love how you put all those quotes there, yet failed to address a single one of them.
Still, I really expect nothing less from you, as always.

Kind of hard to address stuff if your arguments don't bare scrutiny. He is once again asked to put some meat on the bones of his argument. And once again he proves that he has nothing.

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[birthofanorange]

Kind of hard to address stuff if your arguments don't bare scrutiny. He is once again asked to put some meat on the bones of his argument. And one again he proves that he has nothing.

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To his credit, he is consistent.

 

[BadFish]

White woman gets shot by black policeman...silence.

Black man gets killed by a white policeman...the world goes mad.

We are are supposedly the racist ones.

Bunch of clueless, virtue signalling, band wagon jumping idiots.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=tm86QPhCwFc

That you spend an unusual amount of time on the internet discussing.

Weird.

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[AlastairWatts]

Well done the premier league, its a good gesture and I fear it will not, but hope it helps in some change. I really liked the articles Chris Hughton wrote and also the one Liam Rosenior (wearing a brighton training top in the photo). Both have seen first hand the ingrained and instituted racism in our national game.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/b...trump-us-president-george-floyd-liam-rosenior

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...otests-wondering-if-it-will-change-things-yes

I was going to buy a cardboard cutout in the stand at the Amex, but instead I have given the money to the Bail Project, it is such a simple idea and really highlights how people receive injustice and prejudice, in a western democratic society. I would recommend people at least spend a few minutes to watch the TED talk on it, and how such a simple change in the legal system can change so much. If you give it also shows how your money will get used again and again to free people out of incarceration and a downward spiral.

https://www.ted.com/talks/robin_steinberg_what_if_we_ended_the_injustice_of_bail?language=en

The Bail Project you refer to is in the USA. What connection is there with the UK? As far as I know, bail is usually and often offererd to defendants in British courts unless they are up for serious or repeated matters.

Oh, and I've just re-read Rosenior's open letter. Whatever points he was trying to make are lost in a weak attempt at sarcasm which makes the 'letter' more like one from a sixth former than an established journalist.

 

[Dr Bandler]

Change is needed and clearly it’s having an effect https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/08/minneapolis-city-council-police-department-dismantle. So in this sense it’s “doing good. “

Is it bringing people together? Who knows, but I don’t think it’s about bringing people together necessarily. It’s primarily about showing the world people care, raising awareness and enabling change. Again, all the early signs are it’s working.

That Guardian article talks about proposals to disband the Minneapolis Police Dept. Do you think this is "doing good"? I don't want to live in a town watched over by a group of social workers and PCSOs. Do you really think that will work? If you do, you have tremendous faith in human nature in way I haven't seen any evidence for.

I see there is a "progressive" school of thought now trying to re-write history so that Guiliani's zero tolerance policing was not really effective, nor did any good. Having visited NYC before and after this, I saw very clearly the fantastic effect of broken window policing. It was much safer for all communities, and was only harsh on law-breakers. This is a clear fact. Indeed, to make this work he was particulalry tough on corrupt or racist officers, as he knew that would lead to loss of confidence from some communities.

Oh well, I guess if there is a determination to go in this direction we will have to let the pieces fall where they will. I hope it works out, but I fear it is more likely that all US cities will end-up as New York was before - a dangerous, violent, drug-ridden hell. There is already an armed "war lord" running the police-free zone in Seattle.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I guess I don't understand the BLM agenda . Perhaps you do and with your no doubt superior intellect and can explain to me why the death of one black man causes international outrage but others don't .

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Black man gets killed by a white policeman...the world goes mad.

Anyone who genuinely thinks that the UK and worldwide #BlackLivesMatter protests, are ABOUT (rather than sparked by) the murder of George Floyd, is succinctly demonstrating why the protests are necessary.

 

[birthofanorange]

Anyone who genuinely thinks that the UK and worldwide #BlackLivesMatter protests, are ABOUT (rather than sparked by) the murder of George Floyd, is succinctly demonstrating why the protests are necessary.

To be fair, that's probably way too deep for the ones you mention to comprehend.

 

[rogersix]

And would it be a clever idea?

what would be a nice idea is, you teaming up with your fellow countryfolk, and working as one to affect positive progress;

in short, be patriotic

 

[Superphil]

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Anyone who genuinely thinks that the UK and worldwide #BlackLivesMatter protests, are ABOUT (rather than sparked by) the murder of George Floyd, is succinctly demonstrating why the protests are necessary.

Do you back the way BLM has conducted their irresponsible and reckless campaign at this time in the UK then?


Are you happy to see this level of hate on the streets?

https://youtu.be/A7fDTcLXTd0

 

[Swansman]

I see there is a "progressive" school of thought now trying to re-write history so that Guiliani's zero tolerance policing was not really effective, nor did any good. Having visited NYC before and after this, I saw very clearly the fantastic effect of broken window policing. It was much safer for all communities, and was only harsh on law-breakers. This is a clear fact. Indeed, to make this work he was particulalry tough on corrupt or racist officers, as he knew that would lead to loss of confidence from some communities.

What makes you certain the "broken window" policing made that difference?