[News] Black Lives Matter

[Deportivo Seagull]

Everyone's got opinions but the leftie's on here like there's to be the ones heard over all other opinions, yep let's shut down EVERYTHING WE DONT LIKE

Regards
DF

Who said anything about shutting it down. You are shouting so either someone has hit a nerve or you had a problem with caps lock.

The point of the post is that how we perceive ourselves is not how others do, so don’t be surprised if people take offence.

You call anyone who doesn’t agree with you a Leftie, so would that not make you a fascist? [emoji2369]


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[Jim in the West]

Who said anything about shutting it down. You are shouting so either someone has hit a nerve or you had a problem with caps lock.

The point of the post is that how we perceive ourselves is not how others do, so don’t be surprised if people take offence.

You call anyone who doesn’t agree with you a Leftie, so would that not make you a fascist? [emoji2369]


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The problem is - we never change anyone's mind by calling them names. Maybe that's not always the objective. But generally people debate stuff with the objective of getting other people to coalesce around their view. Not sure why we can't DEBATE without resorting to name calling? After all, most of us are one the same side (when it comes to footie).

 

[NooBHA]

I'm sure this is here already but I'm not wading back through all the predictable white noise, from the usual suspects:-

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I had never seen that before - My God she is good. Straight Forward and to the point. No messing about

 

[Marlton and Hove Albion]

The problem is - we never change anyone's mind by calling them names. Maybe that's not always the objective. But generally people debate stuff with the objective of getting other people to coalesce around their view. Not sure why we can't DEBATE without resorting to name calling? After all, most of us are one the same side (when it comes to footie).

Name calling? As old as time my old son. Scenes from Life of Brian comes to mind. It's just a matter of time before the oppressed become the oppressors. Italians, Jews, Irish, Russians, Poles, Chinese emigrated to the US by the millions - they were the original scum of the earth and discriminated against viciously leading to riots and looting (sound familiar)? The politicians and papers exploited them for votes just as they do today.

History tends to repeat itself. WHY? Because we think we've evolved but actually we're still compelled to join tribes. We identify in tribes like "African American" using outmoded historical labels. We're ALL from Africa if you go back far enough. Liberal, Conservative, LGBTQ, Albion Fans, Southerner, Northerner, White Collar, Blue Collar, Feminist, Environmentalists, Pro Life and on and on until your head hurts. Why do we fall for this? Why do we allow our tribal instincts to get in the way of our humanity to the point where we shout and scream and rob and murder those not in our tribe? Live and let live, just don't break my windows or expect me to fund your lifestyle choices.

Crips & Bloods fighting over the same streets? Jews and Palestinians, Shiite and Sunni. We haven't evolved in any demonstrable manner. We seem to find new cruel methods to oppress and break each other down.

 

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Time will tell

 

[The Wizard]

The scenes from London tonight are a total disgrace, mindless thugs who aren’t protesting they are just looking for a fight, the video of a big group of people of all races mobbing unarmed plod is truly disgusting:

And the worst thing is, BAME are more vulnerable to this virus and with the little social distancing seen someone could take the virus home and infect an even more vulnerable parent or grandparent.

 

[symyjym]

You shouldn't patronise people when you know nothing about them.

Regrettably I jumped to a couple of different parts of the video you posted - the first part was somebody trying to justify FGM, the second was somebody calling someone else a pedophile. That was enough for me.

If that's how you fill your days, then I feel sorry for you.

Good luck, I'm done. You may need help.

One person was trying to justify FGM early in the show. How many were arguing against it with him?

I don't choose the topics, nothing is censored and anything can come up in a 12 hour show. If you cannot handle adults discussing sensitive subjects outside of an echo chamber it is your problem not mine.

They are discussing Pan Africanism now fyi.

 

[Razzoo]

Could you clarify what you mean by this?

I think their whole society and culture is more divisive than ours. They have the legacy of slavery and segregation to deal with. British people on the whole are tolerant to outsiders/ foreigners if they assimilate and contribute. I'm sure for every black person in the USA who feels uneasy in a certain neighbourhood, there is an unsafe or hostile neighbourhood for a white person.

 

[neilbard]

If it was one psycho copper then it would be a different story. But that’s not the case. America has a long history of police officers targeting and killing black people. It also has a huge problem with race in general. Unfortunately, it shows no sign of improving. Having a president who emboldens the far right further exacerbates the issue.

As a straight, white, middle class man, I acknowledge that I have been lucky to have never experience prejudice. I also acknowledge that I have benefited from the systemic racism within society. How do I go about rectifying it? I’m a teacher therefore I’m in a position to educate young people, not only in current affairs, but also in history. We also teach about the rights of the child. Children need to know they have the right to be respected regardless of the colour of their skin, but also have the responsibility to reciprocate that respect. Teaching children empathy is the single biggest thing I feel I can do.

As you so rightly say, "America has a long history of police officers targeting and killing black people and racism in general. Having, as you say "a president who emboldens the far right further exacerbates the issue.

Obama was inaugurate in Jan 2009 and his presidency ended in Jan 2017 in that time he did feck all for black Americans, the problem is deep rooted and will not go away in our lifetime.

 

[carlzeiss]

I must have fallen asleep during the 6 o clock news and missed this .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQpm5a4y5XE

 

[cunning fergus]

These two aren't necessarily linked. Those protesting have condemned the violence. You're plain in making the link, doesn't make it truth, anymore than either of us knows what is going on with those peacefully protesting and those violently doing so on the streets of the US. You're assuming you know when you don't, and it suits you to link them because you can then rubbish the basis of the protest. It's what any sensible totalitarian rhetoric would be. Undermine the protest, destroy the idea.

I thought I couldn’t been plainer, but clearly you need it 1.01.

There have been peaceful protests and violent riots in the US connected to the death of George Floyd.

The riots have not helped anyone, least of all the lives of the black American owners/employees of those businesses looted and/or destroyed. If the mantra BLM is true and means anything at all then the riots would not have involved those businesses. They did though.

If BLM genuinely matters then the peaceful protests and violent riots would have been directed at the oppressors, the police and Trump, and any organ that supports them (Fox News). That’s not to excuse it but that’s simple logic if the Police, Trump and his cabal are the oppressors that BLM purports them to be.

But there’s the rub, even if the violent riots did not involve anyone that was protesting or attacking the police, Trump Fox etc because of BLM, then that leaves a 3rd group of violent individuals that used the protests to go looting, and looting black owned businesses or businesses employing black Americans.

That would likely include the constituency of black Americans that kill each other in their thousands every year. If they as black Americans don’t give a f@ck about BLM then why should I or anyone else that lives 4000 miles away.

I’m not undermining the protest, it’s just absurd.

 

[neilbard]

I must a fallen asleep during the 6 o clock news and missed this .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQpm5a4y5XE

You can spend time outdoors, including private gardens and other outdoor spaces, in groups of up to six people from different households, following social distancing guidelines.

 

[Baldseagull]

I'm fully aware of how and why this movement originated. I simply made a comment that it would be good if it's sentiments, as an International movement, should be extended to black people, who are being brutalised, everywhere. If you want to continue misinterpreting the simple point I am making, that is entirely up to you.

Generally, chucking in some "whataboutery" is seen as an attempt to diminish the original issue, and I think that is what you were trying to do.

 

[Wellesley]

Is this a flounce?

No, it's a Godsend.

 

[The Wizard]

It’s quite unbelievable that more fuss isn’t being made about some of the scenes in London tonight, historical monuments being vandalised, streets trashed, police being assaulted by mindless thug, social distancing blatantly being ignored with thousands of people in close proximity to each other and in turn risking everyone around them catching COVID - it’s an insult to this mans memory to see people doing this, absolutely shameful.

I feel sorry for our police, imagine being sent out to the streets of London to a ‘peaceful protest’ against a baying mob with only a baton to protect yourself, something must be done now before this escalates like in other cities.

 

[Steve in Japan]

I must have fallen asleep during the 6 o clock news and missed this .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQpm5a4y5XE

Earlier in the afternoon, Cressida Dick was explaining to the London Assembly that the Police can't take any action as it might cause violence.......

 

[Juan Albion]

I thought I couldn’t been plainer, but clearly you need it 1.01.

There have been peaceful protests and violent riots in the US connected to the death of George Floyd.

The riots have not helped anyone, least of all the lives of the black American owners/employees of those businesses looted and/or destroyed. If the mantra BLM is true and means anything at all then the riots would not have involved those businesses. They did though.

If BLM genuinely matters then the peaceful protests and violent riots would have been directed at the oppressors, the police and Trump, and any organ that supports them (Fox News). That’s not to excuse it but that’s simple logic if the Police, Trump and his cabal are the oppressors that BLM purports them to be.

But there’s the rub, even if the violent riots did not involve anyone that was protesting or attacking the police, Trump Fox etc because of BLM, then that leaves a 3rd group of violent individuals that used the protests to go looting, and looting black owned businesses or businesses employing black Americans.

That would likely include the constituency of black Americans that kill each other in their thousands every year. If they as black Americans don’t give a f@ck about BLM then why should I or anyone else that lives 4000 miles away.

I’m not undermining the protest, it’s just absurd.

So what would you do?

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Generally, chucking in some "whataboutery" is seen as an attempt to diminish the original issue, and I think that is what you were trying to do.

It seems "whataboutery" is a new favourite word on here. Those using it should really look it up an see what it means. There was no "what about" what's happening in Zimbabwe, in my comment, I simply said that the BLM message, now that it's going international, should be listened to and heeded, by the Zimbabwe Government.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I thought I couldn’t been plainer, but clearly you need it 1.01.

There have been peaceful protests and violent riots in the US connected to the death of George Floyd.

The riots have not helped anyone, least of all the lives of the black American owners/employees of those businesses looted and/or destroyed. If the mantra BLM is true and means anything at all then the riots would not have involved those businesses. They did though.

If BLM genuinely matters then the peaceful protests and violent riots would have been directed at the oppressors, the police and Trump, and any organ that supports them (Fox News). That’s not to excuse it but that’s simple logic if the Police, Trump and his cabal are the oppressors that BLM purports them to be.

But there’s the rub, even if the violent riots did not involve anyone that was protesting or attacking the police, Trump Fox etc because of BLM, then that leaves a 3rd group of violent individuals that used the protests to go looting, and looting black owned businesses or businesses employing black Americans.

That would likely include the constituency of black Americans that kill each other in their thousands every year. If they as black Americans don’t give a f@ck about BLM then why should I or anyone else that lives 4000 miles away.

I’m not undermining the protest, it’s just absurd.

I think I found your points so difficult to comprehend because why would you or anyone expect all black Americans to be behind BLM? Some will be solidly behind Trump still. Some will be going out looting and taking advantage and perpetrating criminal acts and murdering other black people. You're saying the actions of all black people need to be consistent and lawful for you to give a shit. Wow, consider me now enlightened to your way of looking at things. I have to have a laugh that you needed to go to 1.01, because frankly it really is so absurd I had no chance of figuring it out. At least you're honest and out there with it.

 

[cunning fergus]

So what would you do?

About what?