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[News] Birmingham primary school suspends LGBT lessons indefinitely
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Hastings gull
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- Nov 23, 2013
- 4,652
Sorry, I don't understand this. If they were on that committee, and it is, to them, a highly sensitive area, then why didn't they pipe up?
B-right-on
Living the dream
Don't tell kids anything. Let kids just be kids and let them play. Its parents and teachers and others putting their ideas in kids heads. Society is a lot more tolerant that it was 40 years ago when I was at school, my 12 YO daughter is mixed race as is my wife and she has never come home saying that someone has made comments on her skin colour. If they did then there would be a different conversation with the school, but in the meantime, it has not happened and making others aware of it will just create it.
I am sorry your childhood wasn't great, but you can't say that it would have been great if this had been made aware of when you were a child. One does not neccessarily follow the other, unfortunatly.
But surely you'd rather the school prevented that conversation being required by using education ? I know a number of my children's friends that have been 'abused' by other students because of their skin colour or sexuality. To the point that my step daughter literally told one student she'd break her legs if she kept bullying her friend because she was gay. I'd rather my children didn't have to step into those sort of situations, we can prevent it by educating children at a young age ...... that said I'm very proud she stood up to a bully on behalf of her friend.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Strong and stable.Wouldn't happen in Germany.Grand coalition. hahahahahahahahahah
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
It wasn't addressed to you,and I can't help with your level of comprehension.Try harder when you go back after half-term.
Jesus you are a bonehead . Let’s go through this step by step.
1) I call you out for a pot-calling-the-kettle-black comment.
2) Your response is to then make a comment about the instability of the German government.....also a pot-calling-the-kettle-black comment.
If someone calls you out for something, do I have to explain you look a bit thick if you respond with confirmation?
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/calls-roger-godsiff-quit-after-16398628
A Birmingham MP has been furiously condemned by fellow Labour members after a video surfaced of him lending support to protesting parents at Anderton Park school.
Roger Godsiff, Hall Green MP, has been filmed meeting with protesters, including self-appointed campaign leader and lead protester, Shakeel Afsar. where he tells them they have a 'just cause'.
The video has been widely shared on social media, and has come under fire from many Labour members.
Wes Streeting, Labour MP for Ilford North, said he was making an official complaint to the Labour Party.
He said "This made me feel sick to my stomach.
"One of my own Labour colleagues stood with people who have peddled hatred and bigotry on school gates, intimidating pupils, teachers and parents.
"800 young people in his city have called Childline - some suicidal.
"No return to Section 28!"
Mr Streeting added: "Not only does Labour MP Roger Godsiff side with protesters who have been calling teachers ‘dukes’, LGBT people ‘filthy animals’ and ‘proselytisers’, he is also on film ridiculing a Labour councillor standing up for schools because she doesn’t have kids.
"I will be making a formal complaint to the Labour Party about Roger Godsiff and raising his conduct at the LGBTLabour AGM today. If he was a Tory MP, we’d be all over it. There must be no place for hatred and apologists for hatred in the Labour Party."
A Birmingham MP has been furiously condemned by fellow Labour members after a video surfaced of him lending support to protesting parents at Anderton Park school.
Roger Godsiff, Hall Green MP, has been filmed meeting with protesters, including self-appointed campaign leader and lead protester, Shakeel Afsar. where he tells them they have a 'just cause'.
The video has been widely shared on social media, and has come under fire from many Labour members.
Wes Streeting, Labour MP for Ilford North, said he was making an official complaint to the Labour Party.
He said "This made me feel sick to my stomach.
"One of my own Labour colleagues stood with people who have peddled hatred and bigotry on school gates, intimidating pupils, teachers and parents.
"800 young people in his city have called Childline - some suicidal.
"No return to Section 28!"
Mr Streeting added: "Not only does Labour MP Roger Godsiff side with protesters who have been calling teachers ‘dukes’, LGBT people ‘filthy animals’ and ‘proselytisers’, he is also on film ridiculing a Labour councillor standing up for schools because she doesn’t have kids.
"I will be making a formal complaint to the Labour Party about Roger Godsiff and raising his conduct at the LGBTLabour AGM today. If he was a Tory MP, we’d be all over it. There must be no place for hatred and apologists for hatred in the Labour Party."
Perkino
Well-known member
- Dec 11, 2009
- 6,051
My children are much younger, but the difference is you were the one entertaining those conversations with your children in your home and if that happened more then schools wouldn't have such a tough time talking about these subjects
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-48853462
LGBT schools row: Equality teaching to return to Parkfield School
A suspended equality programme at the centre of a row about teaching LGBT rights will return at a school.
The No Outsiders programme at Parkfield Community School sparked protests, which spread to Anderton Park Primary School, with parents claiming the teachings were not "age appropriate".
The Birmingham-based school said the new version of the programme had been designed to respect parental concerns.
But a parent group has said it feels it is still "biased" towards LGBT issues.
The amended scheme, called 'No Outsiders for a Faith Community', will be implemented at Parkfield Community School in Alum Rock in September.
The school said the re-launch followed five months of consultation with parents, community representatives and the Department for Education.
It said that in the amended resource, lessons referenced race, religion, age, gender, gender reassignment, sexual orientation and disability.
A spokesperson for the school said: "As a result of the consultation 'No Outsiders for a Faith Community' has been especially designed for Parkfield Community School acknowledging and respecting the concerns and sensitivity expressed by some parents in the present school community."
The resources and programme will also be structured for each year group.
"Our school ethos of equality and everyone being welcome remains a key aspect of our school," the spokesperson added.
However, the Parkfield Parents Group said it had voted against the newly-developed programme.
"This is because it is well known that the original programme and now even the new programme is heavily biased towards LGBTQ, whereas an equality programme doesn't need to be," it said.
Fatima Shah, whose daughter is at Parkfield School, said: "We just haven't been listened to.
"We have said we don't want children in reception to be shown books with same sex relationships. Its confusing for them.
"But the school has said it will do exactly the same as it was doing before but with a slightly different name. How is that taking our views into account?"
The No Outsiders programme is being taught at more than a hundred schools across England.
LGBT schools row: Equality teaching to return to Parkfield School
A suspended equality programme at the centre of a row about teaching LGBT rights will return at a school.
The No Outsiders programme at Parkfield Community School sparked protests, which spread to Anderton Park Primary School, with parents claiming the teachings were not "age appropriate".
The Birmingham-based school said the new version of the programme had been designed to respect parental concerns.
But a parent group has said it feels it is still "biased" towards LGBT issues.
The amended scheme, called 'No Outsiders for a Faith Community', will be implemented at Parkfield Community School in Alum Rock in September.
The school said the re-launch followed five months of consultation with parents, community representatives and the Department for Education.
It said that in the amended resource, lessons referenced race, religion, age, gender, gender reassignment, sexual orientation and disability.
A spokesperson for the school said: "As a result of the consultation 'No Outsiders for a Faith Community' has been especially designed for Parkfield Community School acknowledging and respecting the concerns and sensitivity expressed by some parents in the present school community."
The resources and programme will also be structured for each year group.
"Our school ethos of equality and everyone being welcome remains a key aspect of our school," the spokesperson added.
However, the Parkfield Parents Group said it had voted against the newly-developed programme.
"This is because it is well known that the original programme and now even the new programme is heavily biased towards LGBTQ, whereas an equality programme doesn't need to be," it said.
Fatima Shah, whose daughter is at Parkfield School, said: "We just haven't been listened to.
"We have said we don't want children in reception to be shown books with same sex relationships. Its confusing for them.
"But the school has said it will do exactly the same as it was doing before but with a slightly different name. How is that taking our views into account?"
The No Outsiders programme is being taught at more than a hundred schools across England.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
So after consultation with the parents,an 'amended resource' is to be used.If they had consulted with the parents,knowing local sensitivities,the dispute would never have arisen.Labour on the horns of a dilemma,needing the block moslem vote for survival,but now being seen as islamophobic.
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"We have said we don't want children in reception to be shown books with same sex relationships. Its confusing for them. [/QUOTE]
No, it is isn't you stupid bigoted neanderthal. It's just confusing for you - the children aren't born ignorant, they get that from your religious claptrap.
"We have said we don't want children in reception to be shown books with same sex relationships. Its confusing for them. [/QUOTE]
No, it is isn't you stupid bigoted neanderthal. It's just confusing for you - the children aren't born ignorant, they get that from your religious claptrap.
Bevendean Hillbilly
New member
Funnily enough I was listening to the Sam Harris podcast earlier and the subject of Islam and Muslim attitudes to sexuality and western values came up.
This podcast is about a year old and I’ve taken this long to get to it because each long form conversation takes about 2 hours to get through.
Anyway. The program included a part where he said “only Islam seeks to come to western secular countries and demand that education, philosophy, free speech and ideas are censored in accordance with Koranic dictats”. When Muslims start protesting outside schools to force educators to change the education of children to perpetuate otherness and exclusivity for Muslim children we’ve got a problem. Because once that is tried, succeeds and forces inclusivity out then know, it won’t stop there. It will continue and colour the minds of kids against gays, Women’s rights and religions other than Islam.
It’s a slippery slope when we allow a portion of society to ignore norms because it doesnt suit.
This podcast is about a year old and I’ve taken this long to get to it because each long form conversation takes about 2 hours to get through.
Anyway. The program included a part where he said “only Islam seeks to come to western secular countries and demand that education, philosophy, free speech and ideas are censored in accordance with Koranic dictats”. When Muslims start protesting outside schools to force educators to change the education of children to perpetuate otherness and exclusivity for Muslim children we’ve got a problem. Because once that is tried, succeeds and forces inclusivity out then know, it won’t stop there. It will continue and colour the minds of kids against gays, Women’s rights and religions other than Islam.
It’s a slippery slope when we allow a portion of society to ignore norms because it doesnt suit.
Bevendean Hillbilly
New member
Which side of this fence are you on?
midnight_rendezvous
Well-known member
That’s all well and good but as children are subjected to so much on the internet it’s better to prepare them so they are taught about sex in a safe and secure environment and not on snapchat, Instagram or some porn website. There have been plenty of year 6 children I know of who certainly haven’t had the luxury of simply ‘being children’. As a parent it’s your right to withdraw but as a teacher I can tell you from experience, sex education is becoming more and more important for 10/11 year olds.
Furthermore at primary age, children will be taught that some people have a mum and dad, some people have two dads and some people have two mums. Hardly taking away their innocence.