[Politics] Bin net zero, save 60 billion a year

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Promise just made to Stephen Nolan on radio 5 by a Reform party spokesman.

Quite a claim.

Does one think this will split the tory vote*?

Nolan suggested that this sounds like a shake of the magic money tree.

However, unlike Labour, at least Reform have costed their promises.




*oddly......it may.

 

[Weststander]

One of the benefits of FPTP, their 5% will never translate into power.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

One of the benefits of FPTP, their 5% will never translate into power.

 

[KZNSeagull]

According to the Rest is Politics podcast only 1/3 of Reform voters are ex Tories.

 

[um bongo molongo]

Are they writing this on the side of a bus?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

According to the Rest is Politics podcast only 1/3 of Reform voters are ex Tories.

Is that from the tits up or from the arse down?

 

[Machiavelli]

Are they writing this on the side of a bus?

Winning post on this thread. So far. It could be bettered (but not by me).

 

[Weststander]

According to the Rest is Politics podcast only 1/3 of Reform voters are ex Tories.

They’ve a significant following in midlands/north constituencies within the ‘working class’. People who want to “stop the boats”. R5 last week interviewed a load on the street in a northern town.

Pollsters/political scientists say their share of the vote will increase by at least 4% if Farage becomes the leader. He’s deemed “charismatic”.

Surprisingly they’re on a polls footing with the LidDems. Has Ed Davey come down firmly on EU re entry? I think his last comment was off the table because people don’t talk about it anymore. Shirley there’s a place for a mainstream out and out pro EU membership party, setting out a vision and highlighting what we’ve lost / what we’ll gain economically. I don’t count the Greens as they can only won one seat, probably.

 

[GT49er]

Promise just made to Stephen Nolan on radio 5 by a Reform party spokesman.

Quite a claim.

Does one think this will split the tory vote*?

Maybe, maybe not - but it may split the Labour red wall that voted for Brexit, and still isn't happy with the two main options on offer.

 

[KZNSeagull]

They’ve a significant following in midlands/north constituencies within the ‘working class’. People who want to “stop the boats”. R5 last week interviewed a load on the street in a northern town.

Pollsters/political scientists say their share of the vote will increase by at least 4% if Farage becomes the leader. He’s deemed “charismatic”.

Surprisingly they’re on a polls footing with the LidDems. Has Ed Davey come down firmly on EU re entry? I think his last comment was off the table because people don’t talk about it anymore. Shirley there’s a place for a mainstream out and out pro EU membership party, setting out a vision and highlighting what we’ve lost / what we’ll gain economically. I don’t count the Greens as they can only won one seat, probably.

I have heard naff all about the Lib Dems for ages and have no idea what they stand for at the moment. I'm sure Ed Davey said that rejoining was not on their list anymore but it should be - people might pay some attention to them then.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Maybe, maybe not - but it may split the Labour red wall that voted for Brexit, and still isn't happy with the two main options on offer.

The chances of lifelong labour voters, who held their nose and voted Johnson-tory 'to get brexit done' charging after Reform (to get Brexit double done?) are.....possible. But the tories will lose far more to Reform, As they did recently.

Also there is a fair chance that 'normally labour' voters who backed Johnson for the sake of Brexit may now be heartily disillusioned with the tories, and with Brexit. After all, they did Get Brexit Done. It is Done. Done, done, done.

And.......now what?

Anyway, who knows? The electorate is a strange beast

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Promise just made to Stephen Nolan on radio 5 by a Reform party spokesman.

Quite a claim.

Does one think this will split the tory vote*?

Nolan suggested that this sounds like a shake of the magic money tree.

However, unlike Labour, at least Reform have costed their promises.




*oddly......it may.

What are Sutton and SAV saying...?

 

[Weststander]

I have heard naff all about the Lib Dems for ages and have no idea what they stand for at the moment. I'm sure Ed Davey said that rejoining was not on their list anymore but it should be - people might pay some attention to them then.

He comes across as just another cocky politician, full of himself, the Post Office scandal revealed an illiberal uncaring tw@t.

There’s must be a gap for a pro EU party. I read some investment data recently, ours has fallen off a cliff compared to Italy, Germany and France in the last 4 years. That impacts real lives and finances eventually. Other than J’OB and the Guardian, why isn’t this aired?

 

[Eeyore]

They’ve a significant following in midlands/north constituencies within the ‘working class’. People who want to “stop the boats”. R5 last week interviewed a load on the street in a northern town.

Pollsters/political scientists say their share of the vote will increase by at least 4% if Farage becomes the leader. He’s deemed “charismatic”.

Surprisingly they’re on a polls footing with the LidDems. Has Ed Davey come down firmly on EU re entry? I think his last comment was off the table because people don’t talk about it anymore. Shirley there’s a place for a mainstream out and out pro EU membership party, setting out a vision and highlighting what we’ve lost / what we’ll gain economically. I don’t count the Greens as they can only won one seat, probably.

I don't think many, I'd include myself as what was a reluctant remainer, would agree to go back. But an EU light agreement many wouldn't oppose. It's clear that many key businesses are still very miffed by the whole thing.

The whole 'Stop the Boats' thing. This is classic governance by headlines. When we look at the grand scheme of things it would be low in people's real priorities. It's just fed like sewage into their brains by the media and our overlords. If they focused on government spending, like the billions spaffed on a rubbish Test and Trace scheme, it wouldn't be such a thing.

 

[clapham_gull]

Something has to pay for all the tax cuts they are promising.....

 

[GT49er]

The chances of lifelong labour voters, who held their nose and voted Johnson-tory 'to get brexit done' charging after Reform (to get Brexit double done?) are.....possible. But the tories will lose far more to Reform, As they did recently.

Also there is a fair chance that 'normally labour' voters who backed Johnson for the sake of Brexit may now be heartily disillusioned with the tories, and with Brexit. After all, they did Get Brexit Done. It is Done. Done, done, done.

And.......now what?

Anyway, who knows? The electorate is a strange beast

Disillusioned with the Tories (who they only ever voted for to 'get Brexit done', not for Tory values conviction) does not necessarily equate with disillusioned with Brexit. #Westander, bemoaning Ed Davey's wishy-washyness, asked, "Shirley there’s a place for a mainstream out and out pro EU membership party?" Many red wall will be asking, "Shirley there’s a place for a mainstream out and out and stay out party." Therein lies a potential political wildcard.
Starmer has said the right things to quell their anxieties, but there are serious doubts that such statements truly match with the heart and soul of the PLP!

 

[Weststander]

Disillusioned with the Tories (who they only ever voted for to 'et Brexit done', not for conviction) does not necessarily equate with disillusioned with Brexit. #Westander, bemoaning Ed Davey's wishy-washyness, asked, "Shirley there’s a place for a mainstream out and out pro EU membership party?" Many red wall will be asking, "Shirley there’s a place for a mainstream out and out and stay out party."
Starmer has said various things to quell their anxieties, but their are serious doubts that such statements truly match with the heart and soul of the PLP!

I’m interested in the economy, that’s primarily why I voted Remain, as well as (in a dangerous world) alliances with friends and neighbour's are good [no surprise, Putin and Trump loved Brexit].

On immigration Brexit has failed. If anything it’s been the green light for France not really trying.

The EU has faults, but imho they’re a price worth paying.

Economically we suffer. Hard working Europeans find it incredibly hard to settle here to take our unskilled and skilled positions, investment in our businesses now lags further behind, exporters face a raft of red tape. The only bit of ‘Project Fear’ that proved bollocks was the collapse of The City. On the Brexit thread there’s someone reveling in that in June 2016 “because their German ITK mate told them” so.

 

[Stat Brother]

People voted Johnson because of ABC.

Now the reprehensible politician is on the other team they'll vote Starmer because he's Anyone But Sunak.

 

[dazzer6666]

Promise just made to Stephen Nolan on radio 5 by a Reform party spokesman.

Quite a claim.

Does one think this will split the tory vote*?

Nolan suggested that this sounds like a shake of the magic money tree.

However, unlike Labour, at least Reform have costed their promises.




*oddly......it may.

Is there a Tory vote left to split ?

 

[cunning fergus]

I’m interested in the economy, that’s primarily why I voted Remain, as well as (in a dangerous world) alliances with friends and neighbour's are good [no surprise, Putin and Trump loved Brexit].

On immigration Brexit has failed. If anything it’s been the green light for France not really trying.

The EU has faults, but imho they’re a price worth paying.

Economically we suffer. Hard working Europeans find it incredibly hard to settle here to take our unskilled and skilled positions, investment in our businesses now lags further behind, exporters face a raft of red tape. The only bit of ‘Project Fear’ that proved bollocks was the collapse of The City. On the Brexit thread there’s someone reveling in that in June 2016 “because their German ITK mate told them” so.

A failure by elected politicians, the civil service and other organs of the establishment to deal with “immigration” cannot be the fault of the Brexit voting electorate.

It’s a measure of the determination of all the above on “net zero” matters that some political shit can get “done” in this country when they consider it important. The Tories are toast because of this very issue, and it’s not the first time they hold their voters (solid or lite Tories) in contempt.

The fact they bought in David Cameron to be foreign minister, whilst another dyed in the wool remainer sits on the throne treasury are perfect examples of that contempt and it’s just that they suffer for it.

But Labour will offer nothing different in that key political area either they disenfranchised their working class voters when Gordon Brown called out a long standing Party member as being racist for confronting him with a question on immigration.

Nothing has been delivered on immigration because neither party intend it too.