[Football] Big 6 PL Finances

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

I thought this was mildly interesting:

Numbers behind Chelsea’s ‘enormous’ financial failure

The sheer scale of Chelsea’s failure this season has been underlined by financial analysis which shows that they were by far the worst-performing club in terms

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[BadFish]

just playing devils advocate but don't clubs like Brighton piggy-back off the bigger clubs? i.e. the big boys bring the elite players and huge sponsors which promote and elevate the premier league as a whole which boosts the revenues for all clubs?

They also pay stupid wages which drives up the market value of wages forcing smaller clubs to pay more in an attempt to keep their players.

I guess this begs the question: Does the big clubs playing fast and loose with the rules and their money provide a net gain for the rest of the league?

If only there was someone with a spreadsheet to ask this kind of question . . . . They could do a podcast.

 

[OzMike]

Agree, he is the sort that would use unsalted butter in his sandwiches.

And the problem with that is ?

 

[HastingsSeagull]

It raises costs and raises income so could be argued balances out, but not that simple for anyone. It’s like living in London instead of Hastings or Hong Kong instead of Manila. Your pay is higher, so’s your rent, groceries, travel and lunch. If you’re financially responsible (Brighton) or a trust fund kid with Daddy’s petro dollars you’ll likely be better off long term and able to save up more money in the bank, if you’re overspending to have more fun and gamble on higher status than you are then it’ll cost you more overall to fake it and compete inefficiently. But hey you’re on the big stage for as long as your luck holds.

 

[Nobby]

This all got me to thinking, who are the “big 6”?

Ignoring Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday, , the list is supposedly
Man Utd
Liverpool
Arsenal
Man City
Tottenham
Chelsea

On wages and transfer fees alone it’s only City, Utd Liverpool and Chelsea - so a big 4

In the past, Everton were in before Manchester City

Now Newcastle are pushing for inclusion - with Tottenham maybe on the way down. (Chelsea also with FFP whispering away in the background).
Maybe even City if the authorities ever get their act together.

Any other clubs trying to join our financial elite?

 

[ken tiler]

And the problem with that is ?

And what about those ultra dullards who don’t have butter at all in their sandwiches?

 

[Horses Arse]

It raises costs and raises income so could be argued balances out, but not that simple for anyone. It’s like living in London instead of Hastings or Hong Kong instead of Manila. Your pay is higher, so’s your rent, groceries, travel and lunch. If you’re financially responsible (Brighton) or a trust fund kid with Daddy’s petro dollars you’ll likely be better off long term and able to save up more money in the bank, if you’re overspending to have more fun and gamble on higher status than you are then it’ll cost you more overall to fake it and compete inefficiently. But hey you’re on the big stage for as long as your luck holds.

No salted butter? How?

 

[Peter Grummit]

I thought this was mildly interesting:

Numbers behind Chelsea’s ‘enormous’ financial failure

The sheer scale of Chelsea’s failure this season has been underlined by financial analysis which shows that they were by far the worst-performing club in terms

www.thetimes.co.uk

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This IS very interesting, but doesn't it ignore transfer fees received, which is where we outperform everyone?

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

This IS very interesting, but doesn't it ignore transfer fees received, which is where we outperform everyone?

Yeah, it's only focusing on the basic expenditure on players and wages in relation to points earned. Although the wages are from last year and the points earned are from this year...

I found it interesting just seeing the comparative budgets and how much each club had spent to end up where they did.

 

[Weststander]

I thought this was mildly interesting:

Numbers behind Chelsea’s ‘enormous’ financial failure

The sheer scale of Chelsea’s failure this season has been underlined by financial analysis which shows that they were by far the worst-performing club in terms

www.thetimes.co.uk

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No one's fault, but with ManC, Arsenal, Spurs, ManU, Chelsea and Newcastle the figures underplay the costs, because all embarked on huge player spending since their 2021/22 accounts. Arsenal and Newcastle for example have spent vast sum on fees the last 12 months, whilst Haaland is thought to be on £25m to £40m a year.

This would totally alter the expected points for Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham and Newcastle.

 

[Wozza]

This all got me to thinking, who are the “big 6”?

Ignoring Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday, , the list is supposedly
Man Utd
Liverpool
Arsenal
Man City
Tottenham
Chelsea

On wages and transfer fees alone it’s only City, Utd Liverpool and Chelsea - so a big 4

In the past, Everton were in before Manchester City

Now Newcastle are pushing for inclusion - with Tottenham maybe on the way down. (Chelsea also with FFP whispering away in the background).
Maybe even City if the authorities ever get their act together.

Any other clubs trying to join our financial elite?

The big six is very much locked in. And the biggest keep getting bigger.

Posted elsewhere today, but these Facebook/Instagram figures are very revealing...

 

[Mancgull]

just playing devils advocate but don't clubs like Brighton piggy-back off the bigger clubs? i.e. the big boys bring the elite players and huge sponsors which promote and elevate the premier league as a whole which boosts the revenues for all clubs?

That’s how Tony is playing it. You almost have to embrace it and just accept that you’ll never compete on a like for like basis but become the best of the rest. No harm in that. We are basically feeding off their riches and establishing ourselves as a top 10 club.
They are stupid enough to not bother with good academies ( one or two exceptions) and so pay ridiculous sums for ready made first teamers.

 

[amexer]

All praise to Brentford Wages £40m below owes