Berlin market attack suspect shot dead in Milan

[WonderingSoton]

You have to wonder, with all the cameras these days, how the most wanted man in Europe can get from Berlin to Milan without being seen.

This. He got from Italy to Germany with no passport (having been refused asylum), committed this atrocity, then managed to get back to Italy again despite being Europe's most wanted man. Mind boggling.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Maybe I just happen to have an over-active BS Detector, but I tend to suspect with extreme prejudice any case where they, say, just happen to find an atrocity suspect's ID under the driver's seat. Just like they apparently happened to find an incriminating document directly linking George Galloway to Saddam Hussein in smouldering ruins of one of Saddam's palaces. Yeah, right

 

[JC Footy Genius]

This case just highlights how important it is that the EU reappraise everything about border controls.

This man was expelled from Italy for being dangerous and undesirable; in theory an expulsion from one EU country on those grounds should be an expulsion from all EU countries, yet he was able to go to Germany and massacre innocent people.

Unfortunately, I get the feeling the EU is incapable of reforming and adapting to the current reality (no change there then). Free movement with no/minimal internal borders will stay, as will the porous external borders and terrorists/extremists will continue to exploit them.

Barking mad.

 

[carlzeiss]

This. He got from Italy to Germany with no passport (having been refused asylum), committed this atrocity, then managed to get back to Italy again despite being Europe's most wanted man. Mind boggling.

These folk will be most happy .

http://www.noborders.org.uk/

 

[fat old seagull]

He's dead and probably happier for it. Who's next I wonder? Bored angry unemployed Arab youths...not many of them in Europe these days eh? This cycle of violence should petter out sometime in 2389 AD

Purely by coincidence that's when Palaces promise of European Footy reaches fruition!

 

[TomandJerry]

The route taken by the suspect

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

These folk will be most happy .

http://www.noborders.org.uk/

Their cause seems to have died a death since 2012 if their website is anything to go by.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

This. He got from Italy to Germany with no passport (having been refused asylum), committed this atrocity, then managed to get back to Italy again despite being Europe's most wanted man. Mind boggling.

Which passport does he have though? He didn't have a Tunisian one. Where's he actually from?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Which passport does he have though? He didn't have a Tunisian one. Where's he actually from?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...tmas-market-terror-9500721?service=responsive

 

[marlowe]

You have to wonder, with all the cameras these days, how the most wanted man in Europe can get from Berlin to Milan without being seen.

Germany are much more restrictive in their use of cctv cameras, but not for much longer apparently.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/21/germany-to-expand-cctv-network

 

[theboybilly]

You sir, are a man after my own heart. It is indeed 'hanged'.

There is a pub called the 'Hung, Drawn and Quartered' near Tower Hill. It's embarrasing to think that in all of the places they couldn't get that right (notwithstanding most executions of that type in London were likely to have been undertaken at Tyburn rather than The Tower)

 

[GT49er]

Their cause seems to have died a death since 2012 if their website is anything to go by.

Good!

 

[sydney]

**** him....

 

[GT49er]

You sir, are a man after my own heart. It is indeed 'hanged'.

Many would agree, but oddly enough, Fowler's (the prime source of information on use of English) defines the two words as interchangeable. Even if 'hanged' is technically correct, in the context of the phrase, I'd go with 'hung, drawn and quartered' simply on the grounds of common usage; you just don't hear people say hanged, drawn and quartered.

 

[Buzzer]

There is a pub called the 'Hung, Drawn and Quartered' near Tower Hill. It's embarrasing to think that in all of the places they couldn't get that right (notwithstanding most executions of that type in London were likely to have been undertaken at Tyburn rather than The Tower)

Funnily enough, I took my two lads past that pub on Wednesday night and had exactly the same conversation.

Many would agree, but oddly enough, Fowler's (the prime source of information on use of English) defines the two words as interchangeable. Even if 'hanged' is technically correct, in the context of the phrase, I'd go with 'hung, drawn and quartered' simply on the grounds of common usage; you just don't hear people say hanged, drawn and quartered.

You would hear 'hanged, drawn and quartered' if you knew me!

Fowler's may well be the prime source but I'd always defer to my old English teacher at Durrington High, Mrs Maddock who told us that meat and pictures are hung, people are hanged. Her words were canon.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

There is a pub called the 'Hung, Drawn and Quartered' near Tower Hill. It's embarrasing to think that in all of the places they couldn't get that right (notwithstanding most executions of that type in London were likely to have been undertaken at Tyburn rather than The Tower)

Been in that pub. Tyburn was close to Newgate i believe that is maybe why ?

 

[Leekbrookgull]

I do think that Emily Thornbury should be consulted reguarding Anis Amri,s human rights.

 

[GT49er]

You would hear 'hanged, drawn and quartered' if you knew me!

Fowler's may well be the prime source but I'd always defer to my old English teacher at Durrington High, Mrs Maddock who told us that meat and pictures are hung, people are hanged. Her words were canon.

Looking up a definition for 'hanged' I found this.

"Hanged is the past tense and past participle of hang only when used in the sense of “put to death by hanging”. It’s important to remember that 'hanged' has a very specific use. We only use hanged when we are referring to the killing of a human being by suspending the person by the neck."

If you want to be totally accurate, when drawing and quartering are involved, the victim is still alive after being hung for a while (but not long enough to kill). Therefore Fowler's assertion that the use of hung is not erroneous in this context has a fair degree of validity!

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

Looking up a definition for 'hanged' I found this.

"Hanged is the past tense and past participle of hang only when used in the sense of “put to death by hanging”. It’s important to remember that 'hanged' has a very specific use. We only use hanged when we are referring to the killing of a human being by suspending the person by the neck."

If you want to be totally accurate, when drawing and quartering are involved, the victim is still alive after being hung for a while (but not long enough to kill). Therefore Fowler's assertion that the use of hung is not erroneous in this context has a fair degree of validity!

So I was right all along

 

[The Spanish]

Been in that pub. Tyburn was close to Newgate i believe that is maybe why ?

Tyburn is Marble Arch, Newgate is old Bailey, this pub is tower hill!