Benitez sacked from Inter (apparently)

[Mellotron]

Good point a few posts above, it is completely forgotten amongst all the massively stupid mistakes Rafa made that he completely f*cked over a REALLY good youth academy.

Owen
Fowler
McManaman
Gerrard
Carragher

Not til Hodgson came in did we see ANY youth players coming through playing well.

 

[Aldo]

The truth is he didn't have little money to spend though, isn't it, he spent loads.
If that was his transfer policy then all it does is highlight his inadequacy. After winning the Champions League he had all the good will in the world, he had a long contract and money to spend. This re-writing of history is incorrect, Benitez is simply not a great judge of a player. If this statement needed further proof, simply look at the fact that a year before he went to Real Madrid, Benitez was trying to force Xabi Alonso out of Liverpool so that he could sign Gareth Barry.

The naiviety of Liverpool fans who think Benitez was some kind of hero is almost sweet. The only thing he ever fought tooth and nail for was his own advancement. This couldn't be better demonstrated than by his cheesy self serving statement upon leaving Liverpool having finally agreed his massive pay off.

He did have little money to spend, and if he was to sell a player for say £10 million, he would see £6 million of that, meaning he has to not only replace that player with less money then the original player was worth, he then had to build on the squad with that money, so he could never successfully properly build the squad he wanted. And Benitez constantly fought Liverpool despite all the shit that the owners put him through, and no one can deny his love for the club, although it's relevant to the amount of money he has, his leaving gift of a £96,000 donation to the HJC shows his love for Liverpool and all the fighting he did was in fact for the club and the fans.

 

[Pavilionaire]

The worst thing that happened (long termish) for Liverpool was winning the Champions League. It meant Rafa was unsackable for a few years.

Not a bad problem to have really, is it? Managing a manager who wins you the Champions League. I think the whole lack of control and Hicks / Gillette thing meant Rafa had more influence than he should have done.

Contrast this with, say, Spurs where Levy lets 'Arry know precisely the sort of deal he'll sanction. Scott Parker is a decent player but 31 with no sell-on value. 3 years ago he'd have signed for Pompey but Redknapp's got a different sort of chairman now, so there's no chance West Ham will get anywhere near what they want for him while Levy's in the frame. If the deal happens it's highly likely it will be on Spurs' terms.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

He did have little money to spend, and if he was to sell a player for say £10 million, he would see £6 million of that, meaning he has to not only replace that player with less money then the original player was worth

So how did he have a net spend of £8m? (ignoring large sums on signing on fees and agents)

 

[Aldo]

Being manager of Brighton in 1997 is dire circumstances, please tell me you are joking! He spent SO much money at Liverpool on utter shit/good players that HE played out of position or pissed off by not talking to etc. Completely down to him.

And don't give any ballbags about selling to buy, we looked into this ages ago, only Chelsea and Man City have spent more than Liverpool in the last 5 years, (Man City's being almost all in the last 2 years) taking sales into account. Thus he has massively underperformed.

In terms of the modern game and the riches and demands of the premier league then yes. And Rafa did have to sell to buy, on player signings he had a NET Spend of 8 million, wages etc were down to directors etc.

Good point a few posts above, it is completely forgotten amongst all the massively stupid mistakes Rafa made that he completely f*cked over a REALLY good youth academy.

Owen
Fowler
McManaman
Gerrard
Carragher

Not til Hodgson came in did we see ANY youth players coming through playing well.

The players used by Hodgson (who came into replace Rafa, and Rafa is ten times the manager), were either developed or brought in by Benitez, and also featured under Benitez as much as Rafa.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Rafa had 6 years in charge and Hodgson has had 28 games. Talk about writing someone off early. Besides, surely the working conditions for Roy Hodgson are the same that you are bemoaning about and claiming held Benitez back?

 

[Wozza]

The players used by Hodgson (who came into replace Rafa, and Rafa is ten times the manager), were either developed or brought in by Benitez, and also featured under Benitez as much as Rafa.

Yeah! Er, what?

 

[Aldo]

So how did he have a net spend of £8m? (ignoring large sums on signing on fees and agents)

Because when given decent sums of money he brought in Alonso, Mascherano, Reina, Torres. And when you have to buy players of a mediocre calibre, say for £5 million, then they don't cut it, your not going to get the £5 million back.

 

[Brian Fantana]

He is such an easily dislikeable man that I am glad he has (apparently) been fired. Liverpool should have won the title at least once over the last few years given the talent they had in their squad and the amount of money spent adding new players. The reason? Benitez couldn't man manage and was tactically weak. If he had adopted a simple approach of playing players in their best positions, picking 2 out and out wingers regularly and not signing such utter dross then maybe they would have done. It is a shame that in replacing him with Hodgson it is hidden how shite Rafa really was.

 

[Aldo]

Rafa had 6 years in charge and Hodgson has had 28 games. Talk about writing someone off early. Besides, surely the working conditions for Roy Hodgson are the same that you are bemoaning about and claiming held Benitez back?

Roy Hodgson has been in management for 35 years, and his biggest achievement is losing a final, I think he has had plenty of time. He isn't fit to polish Rafa's winners medals.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Because when given decent sums of money he brought in Alonso, Mascherano, Reina, Torres. And when you have to buy players of a mediocre calibre, say for £5 million, then they don't cut it, your not going to get the £5 million back.

Why did he have to buy mediocre players? There are plenty of examples of decent signings for a relatively cheap fee.

 

[Aldo]

He is such an easily dislikeable man that I am glad he has (apparently) been fired. Liverpool should have won the title at least once over the last few years given the talent they had in their squad and the amount of money spent adding new players. The reason? Benitez couldn't man manage and was tactically weak. If he had adopted a simple approach of playing players in their best positions, picking 2 out and out wingers regularly and not signing such utter dross then maybe they would have done. It is a shame that in replacing him with Hodgson it is hidden how shite Rafa really was.

In 6 years, 4 trophies, runner up in 2 other finals, 2 other European semi finals, and getting the 2nd highest ever points tally in the premier league, god I wish I was that 'shite'.

 

[Aldo]

Why did he have to buy mediocre players? There are plenty of examples of decent signings for a relatively cheap fee.

Because he was given small amounts of transfer funds and a very low percentage of money from player sells.

 

[Brian Fantana]

In 6 years, 4 trophies, runner up in 2 other finals, 2 other European semi finals, and getting the 2nd highest ever points tally in the premier league, god I wish I was that 'shite'.

It's relative though. He had a very talented core of Liverpool youth players (mentioned above) and was given a shit load of money to spend. Based on both of those facts, he should have won a lot, lot more honours. He was the weak link rather than the squad.

 

[northernblue]

Roy Hodgson has been in management for 35 years, and his biggest achievement is losing a final, I think he has had plenty of time. He isn't fit to polish Rafa's winners medals.

Whoever came in after Rafa was going to be a fill-in given at the time Hicks + Gillett were in charge and there was no money for transfers. Therefore Hodgson had the same problems with the squad as Rafa had last season but is a worse manager!!

Now NESV have taken over I reckon they will see this season through, giving them time to sound out a replacement, and then sack Hodgson in the summer.

 

[Fawkesy]

Aldo seems to be the only one talking sense on here, the rest of you are dilusional to think that Rafa is not a good manager and that he was not a success at Liverpool, ok he didnt win the league, but he got bloody close.

A lot colser than Roy will ever get...

 

[Fawkesy]

Whoever came in after Rafa was going to be a fill-in given at the time Hicks + Gillett were in charge and there was no money for transfers. Therefore Hodgson had the same problems with the squad as Rafa had last season but is a worse manager!!

Now NESV have taken over I reckon they will see this season through, giving them time to sound out a replacement, and then sack Hodgson in the summer.

good shout

 

[Aldo]

It's relative though. He had a very talented core of Liverpool youth players (mentioned above) and was given a shit load of money to spend. Based on both of those facts, he should have won a lot, lot more honours. He was the weak link rather than the squad.

He wasn't given shit loads of money to spend though. And since 1990 Liverpool has struggled to win major honours, he then won the biggest trophy going with a team with the likes of Trajore, Biscan, Smicer, Baros. The man is one of the best managers in the world, and if you look at it in terms of Liverpool now have Roy in charge, then sacking him was a big mistake.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Aldo seems to be the only one talking sense on here, the rest of you are dilusional to think that Rafa is not a good manager and that he was not a success at Liverpool, ok he didnt win the league, but he got bloody close.

A lot colser than Roy will ever get...

Not everyone thinks that he is a bad manager, but plenty do not think he is 'world class'.

 

[Aldo]

Not everyone thinks that he is a bad manager, but plenty do not think he is 'world class'.

Mourinho, Pep, Hiddink, Fergie, are better, maybe Wenger, top 5 or 6 manager in the world, pretty world class to me.