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[Cricket] Ben Stokes



Gwylan

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Jul 5, 2003
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I do think there’s some culpability from the authorities here.

That's Trescothick, Yardy, Panesar, Trott and now Stokes who have left the England set-up with mental health issues of one sort or another. I think at the very least, there should be some questions asked, as it's clearly not going well.
 








Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
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Stokes has been through so much in the last 2 or 3 years so I hope he gets the rest he needs.
Once again though, test cricket loses out.
 


mejonaNO12 aka riskit

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Dec 4, 2003
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England
I really hope he does…..and that Ben then knocks seven shades of shit out or him. With a newly broken-in Gray Nicholls.

Weirdly Piers didn't jump straight onto social media last night to criticise stokes (normally he is straight on to criticise Biles, raducanu or Osaka)

Instead he waited to this morning and declared they are different situations so he hasn't criticised Stokes as being weak or letting people down.

Weird that.
 






Thunder Bolt

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I notice Ben did not have any mental issues when he was earning his millions in the IPL

His father hadn’t died of brain cancer then.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, by saying I don’t think you meant to be as ignorant, as you appear from your post.
 


redoubtable seagull

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I notice Ben did not have any mental issues when he was earning his millions in the IPL

England players have a tough period coming up and whilst having to operate under covid restrictions.

India series then a short break, then into the T20 World Cup in the UAE from Oct to Nov and then immediately into a gruelling two and half month tour to Australia for the Ashes series where it’s being suggested the players will not be allowed their families. Cricket is well documented as being one of the tougher sports when it comes to playing commitment and being away from family and loved ones. And without having to do all this whilst this shitty pandemic is amongst us.

That’s a tough ask for anyone particularly a player with a young family.

But go ahead ahead with the snide, unsympathetic comments. It’s what makes this country great.
 




amexer

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I remember when England players played 5 test matches and 5 one days against one team. Then same again on a winter tour. Games i always looked forward to. Lost much interest now because so many games and many meaningless. I could not tell you who we have played in last year there has been so many and because of this strongest side is rarely put out.
Difficult for players to 100% focus on so many games and not able to treat all with same importance
 


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Oct 8, 2003
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I wonder how many years it will be before people stop imagining they understand someone else's mental health problems? To say that it is understandable because his dad died, or that it is not credible because he earns millions are both armchair diagnoses of what is reported as an illness. Admittedly the first assumption shows compassion while the second shows ignorance, so well done @thunderbolt :thumbsup:.

Our mental disposition is a product of our innate brain function and our life experiences, but the infuence of the two varies hugely between individuals. In some a crisis is entirely endogenous (and here the mental health issue may be plain for all to see). In others it is a reaction to events. In some the endogenous disposition lowers the bar for abreaction to events. Others are more stoic, perhaps, albeit the crisis, if it comes, can have more dramatic consequences. How often have you thought 'didn't see that coming' when someone with whom you are acquainted does something dramatic, anything from suddenly walking out on their life, to killing themself? On the other hand some wear their mental health on their sleeve (which is actually part of their coping process) and everyone has a pretty good ideal of where they are at and what they are likely to do.

For me if a person takes a break due to mental health issies, the best response is to wish them the best, ask if there is anything I can do, leave the door open and let them heal. Prodding and poking to find out exactly what's wrong with them (depression? anxiety? suicidal ideation) is just rude. Suggesting they are making it all up to gain an advantage or cover for a failing is insulting.

Yes, and Piers Moron is a hypocrite, racist sexist bully and should be ****** and burned.
 


Templeton Peck

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Jul 15, 2009
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The Covid 'Bubbles' really seem to have exacerbated problems. I know Commentators found it hard enough doing it and they rotated who did what.

The BBC were talking about the Ashes potentially being postponed as if a player played in the 20/20 WC and then was in the Ashes Squad they'd be away for the family for at least 4 months including over Christmas as the Australian Gov won't allow their families to travel with them.

With the amount of Cricket being played at the moment I can only see this getting worse.
 




dazzer6666

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Mar 27, 2013
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I wonder how many years it will be before people stop imagining they understand someone else's mental health problems? To say that it is understandable because his dad died, or that it is not credible because he earns millions are both armchair diagnoses of what is reported as an illness. Admittedly the first assumption shows compassion while the second shows ignorance, so well done @thunderbolt :thumbsup:.

Our mental disposition is a product of our innate brain function and our life experiences, but the infuence of the two varies hugely between individuals. In some a crisis is entirely endogenous (and here the mental health issue may be plain for all to see). In others it is a reaction to events. In some the endogenous disposition lowers the bar for abreaction to events. Others are more stoic, perhaps, albeit the crisis, if it comes, can have more dramatic consequences. How often have you thought 'didn't see that coming' when someone with whom you are acquainted does something dramatic, anything from suddenly walking out on their life, to killing themself? On the other hand some wear their mental health on their sleeve (which is actually part of their coping process) and everyone has a pretty good ideal of where they are at and what they are likely to do.

For me if a person takes a break due to mental health issies, the best response is to wish them the best, ask if there is anything I can do, leave the door open and let them heal. Prodding and poking to find out exactly what's wrong with them (depression? anxiety? suicidal ideation) is just rude. Suggesting they are making it all up to gain an advantage or cover for a failing is insulting.

Yes, and Piers Moron is a hypocrite, racist sexist bully and should be ****** and burned.

All of this.
 














Wozza

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Jul 6, 2003
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Well yes, that's a whole different argument, players should never retire from representing their country at any sport, it should be an honour to continue until they are no longer picked.

Thing is, he's just made himself unavailable for selection. No need to announce 'retirement', like it's final.

It's as ridiculous as.... I dunno, starting a thread about giving up one's season ticket in 12 months' time.
 




A1X

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Huge warning shot across the bow of the authorities that, the England men's schedule is absolutely nuts and this was only a matter of time, and unless something changes he won't be the last
 




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