[News] BBC Ten o'clock News tonight

[symyjym]

This is pretty daft. A GP won't send a woman for a baby scan when she has just become pregnant, but she can go down to A&E to get them anytime she wants even if she has conceived the day before

 

[wellquickwoody]

In a properly funded and maintained NHS, that wouldn't be a question you'd need to ask.

Just how do you justify someone (ie any other taxpayer) HAVING to pay for another individuals vanity project? Penis removal, 4th go at IVF etc?

 

[Ernest]

Just how do you justify someone (ie any other taxpayer) HAVING to pay for another individuals vanity project? Penis removal, 4th go at IVF etc?

What has it go to do with a TORY troll who lives in Australia

 

[wellquickwoody]

What has it go to do with a TORY troll who lives in Australia

About as much as it has to do do with a socialist leech who lives in a fairytale Utopia called Jezzaland? Oh, and just to wind you up, I still get a vote for the next 9 years

 

[Brighton Mod]

An 18 year old girl died from complications from flu, two people have died on trollish in corridors because there are not enough beds, but you don't want to hear about it.

I sincerely hope you don't need to use a doctor or hospital in the future, or you might start to have some understanding of the massive problem we have at the moment.

So, do you have any first hand knowledge of the NHS A&E departments? Are you a cancer patient or do you just judge these issues on what you see in the media?

So my daughter happens to be an NHS A&E nurse and let me give you a flavour of what they have to deal with:

A patient presents at A&E with:

Nurse i've been stung by a wasp in my eye, so which eye is that, err.......... go home
Nurse I woke up really tied this morning, so why are you here?..... go home
Nurse I've cut me head, where is that?....... err that 1cm cut ................ go home
Nurse I've got severe stomach pains, ahhh! I need pain relief, insert a canula, patient disappears with with a line in, drug addict.
Nurse I'm starving, but I saw you with porridge this morning, yes but no one fed it to me

It goes on and on, she reckons 60% of those who present should not even be there, yes thats 6%.

The high pressure on A&E in the last two weeks is due to people not being able to see a GP and so therefore allowing chest infections to grow and eventually having to present to A&E. Many surgeries were closed over the Christmas period.

I have intense knowledge of cancer care in the NHS and ther is absolutely no issue with getting treated. Reporting a tweet on national news as news itself is is irresponsible and potentially fake news.

The reporting of the \nhs has been slanted,ill informed at best or a dramatisation. Asking a health professional in the NHS if they would appreciate more money is not news, the answer would be the same anywhere in the world.

Leave the NHS alone, lets start talking about its world rating, No 1, lets talk about its inovation and its leading position in the use of technology and lets keep the politicians away from it!

So whtas your knowledge of the NHS?

 

[Sirnormangall]

So, do you have any first hand knowledge of the NHS A&E departments? Are you a cancer patient or do you just judge these issues on what you see in the media?

So my daughter happens to be an NHS A&E nurse and let me give you a flavour of what they have to deal with:

A patient presents at A&E with:

Nurse i've been stung by a wasp in my eye, so which eye is that, err.......... go home
Nurse I woke up really tied this morning, so why are you here?..... go home
Nurse I've cut me head, where is that?....... err that 1cm cut ................ go home
Nurse I've got severe stomach pains, ahhh! I need pain relief, insert a canula, patient disappears with with a line in, drug addict.
Nurse I'm starving, but I saw you with porridge this morning, yes but no one fed it to me

It goes on and on, she reckons 60% of those who present should not even be there, yes thats 6%.

The high pressure on A&E in the last two weeks is due to people not being able to see a GP and so therefore allowing chest infections to grow and eventually having to present to A&E. Many surgeries were closed over the Christmas period.

I have intense knowledge of cancer care in the NHS and ther is absolutely no issue with getting treated. Reporting a tweet on national news as news itself is is irresponsible and potentially fake news.

The reporting of the \nhs has been slanted,ill informed at best or a dramatisation. Asking a health professional in the NHS if they would appreciate more money is not news, the answer would be the same anywhere in the world.

Leave the NHS alone, lets start talking about its world rating, No 1, lets talk about its inovation and its leading position in the use of technology and lets keep the politicians away from it!

So whtas your knowledge of the NHS?

Thank you for your first hand insight into the difficulties faced by the NHS. Clearly some of the recent problems that have arisen are unacceptable - but it’s interesting to see that the solution partly rests with all of us in making better / more appropriate use of NHS resources and that it’s not just a question of more money. My own personal experience of the NHS has rarely been anything other than excellent.

 

[Hastings gull]

Agreed, but the figures that are presented on the news are pretty meaningless as far as I am concerned. There is huge waste in the NHS but it is also abused and it is the scale of that waste and abuse that I would like to know. For example, we are told that thousands of people were not seen within 4 hours in A&E in the last few weeks. Are those all genuine A&E cases? How many of the cases seen in A&E in the last few weeks could have and should have been handled elsewhere? Are stats even kept on these things? I would also like to see similar stats on ambulance call outs on the news.

I could go on but the point I am trying to make is that some onus should somehow be subtly put back onto the general public to use the NHS sensibly.

Picking up on your very valid points - My GP tells me that that the NHS is guilty of terrible wastage, as does the pharmacist when I pick up medicine for my elderly mum. When I was in A&E with a suspected DVT, and after apologising for taking up their time when they were clearly so busy, I can still picture the nurse saying to me " I don't mind you being here, you are ill." And my sister-in-law works in Durham with a section checking on fraud with regard to those who claim free prescriptions when not entitled, and they pride themselves on having saved the NHS millions.

The NHS was set up post war with the very best of intentions, but I do think that a debate is needed as to what system should be adopted in the future. Sadly the politics will always take over - last week on Sky News, the shadow health secretary was asked whether he supported this very debate - absolutely, he proclaimed, as long as it is free at the point of entry and funded by general taxation.

 

[ManOfSussex]

 

[Brighton Mod]

Agreed, but the figures that are presented on the news are pretty meaningless as far as I am concerned. There is huge waste in the NHS but it is also abused and it is the scale of that waste and abuse that I would like to know. For example, we are told that thousands of people were not seen within 4 hours in A&E in the last few weeks. Are those all genuine A&E cases? How many of the cases seen in A&E in the last few weeks could have and should have been handled elsewhere? Are stats even kept on these things? I would also like to see similar stats on ambulance call outs on the news.

I could go on but the point I am trying to make is that some onus should somehow be subtly put back onto the general public to use the NHS sensibly.

Just to support your point about a percentage not being seem within 4 hours. We are led to belief by the media that these are heart attacks, stroke, car crash or seriously injured when they are in effect, those who are not considered emergency cases by the emergency department and triaged down the scale. On a recent mayor emergency in A&E, the head consultant went to the A&E waiting area and said its going to be a minimum six hour wait because we have amajor emergency, everyone left except two people. The NHS know that to see 80% of those who present within four hours is actually quite good given the number those who should not be there.

 

[ManOfSussex]

****ing Tories.................................

 

[Sirnormangall]

****ing Tories.................................

.....and therein lies the problem: can’t have a proper debate on the NHS without it being politicised. I would have thought most of the population and NHS employees would welcome the removal of political point scoring from this debate and instead focus combined energies on solutions. Yes that’s probably a naive statement because it would require politicians to put the interests of UK citizens before the interests of their political parties. It would also require policies to be designed for the longer term benefit of the population rather than for short term populism with nothing more than the next election in mind.

 

[wellquickwoody]

****ing Tories.................................

Sensible reasoned debate?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So, do you have any first hand knowledge of the NHS A&E departments? Are you a cancer patient or do you just judge these issues on what you see in the media?

So my daughter happens to be an NHS A&E nurse and let me give you a flavour of what they have to deal with:

A patient presents at A&E with:

Nurse i've been stung by a wasp in my eye, so which eye is that, err.......... go home
Nurse I woke up really tied this morning, so why are you here?..... go home
Nurse I've cut me head, where is that?....... err that 1cm cut ................ go home
Nurse I've got severe stomach pains, ahhh! I need pain relief, insert a canula, patient disappears with with a line in, drug addict.
Nurse I'm starving, but I saw you with porridge this morning, yes but no one fed it to me

It goes on and on, she reckons 60% of those who present should not even be there, yes thats 6%.

The high pressure on A&E in the last two weeks is due to people not being able to see a GP and so therefore allowing chest infections to grow and eventually having to present to A&E. Many surgeries were closed over the Christmas period.

I have intense knowledge of cancer care in the NHS and ther is absolutely no issue with getting treated. Reporting a tweet on national news as news itself is is irresponsible and potentially fake news.

The reporting of the \nhs has been slanted,ill informed at best or a dramatisation. Asking a health professional in the NHS if they would appreciate more money is not news, the answer would be the same anywhere in the world.

Leave the NHS alone, lets start talking about its world rating, No 1, lets talk about its inovation and its leading position in the use of technology and lets keep the politicians away from it!

So whtas your knowledge of the NHS?

My husband gets admitted on a regular basis due to health issues and I have a chronic illness. I'm not sure why you think I was having a go at the NHS from my post. My point was to the OP who was whinging about it being included in the new bulletins.

I know there are timewasters in A&E, and when I've been with my other half there on a Saturday night, whilst he's been waiting for a bed, we've seen the drunks handcuffed to coppers, and being abusive to staff.

I wish the politicians would stop treating the NHS as a political football, and have an all party committee to sit down with grass root staff to work out what should be happening and the right amount of funding.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

Totally agree, if they stopped today every cosmetic surgery procedure I wonder how much each trust would save each year?

#taxpayersmoneytosavelivesnotvanity

How would you feel if your children suffered a burn and then required cosmetic surgery to cover the scar on their face? Presumably you'd turn it down and tell them to suck it up and get on their way to school #taxpayersmoneytosavelivesnotvanity, right?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Cosmetic surgery also involves implants for women who have had to have their breasts removed due to cancer.

 

[cunning fergus]

****ing Tories.................................

This insult would carry much more weight if you wasn’t a rabid supporter of a fully open and free market economics, and generally shilling for Goldman Sachs.

You F@cking Tory C@nt.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I wish the politicians would stop treating the NHS as a political football, and have an all party committee to sit down with grass root staff to work out what should be happening and the right amount of funding.

The problem is that this is impossible. This is because some politicians firmly believe there should be no privatised elemenst of the NHS, others who think the NHS is a communist organization that should be destroyed, and others (of labour and tory persuasion) who think that a mixed model of public private partnrship is the way forward. In my experience, the NHS, like the HE sector, has attempted to be cost-effective by measuring every aspect of everything, and to do so has evolved a complex system of accounting and auditing, that has massively expanded the administrative side, the health and safely side, the approval process, purchasing, etc etc. At the same time, the health system is vulnerable to exponential cost increases each time there is a new medical discovery. The biologics for example are excessively expensive which is why some monoclonals are not 'approved' in some regions. In the hospitals and in HE, people are employed full time to game the system so that individual hospitals and universities can climb lague tables and threfore attract more money in the mixed economic system.

The solution sadly is brutal. We either nationalise the NHS again (and get rid of the financial bean counting) or we privatise the lot. Same with the HE sector. Sadly there are elements in the tory party who want the NHS destroyed (for a perfectly legitimate reason - they regard it as communistic and fundamentally wrong) and they are working towards this by doing very little - letting it become worse and worse and increasingly costly in the expectation it will become discredited. They have also actively supported, by word and deed (including tax breaks) the private health insurance system which, like private schools, draws the middle class away from the state system, rendering them indifferent or even hostile to the NHS and state schools. And yet somehow the tories who have facilitated the private health process have got away with making it so that NHS consultants using NHS facilities can undertake private practice. How wrong is that?

My view is that the NHS will continue to decline unless the bean counting and mixed market stuff are expunged, and unless the element in the tories implacably opposed to the NHS are exposed, and kept away from influence. This is one of the most important issues in our society and it is right that it is on the news a lot.

 

[The Birdman]

What happened about the abuse from overseas to our NHS did they ever start collecting the money as friend said they get two a week flying in to have babies on NHS in Glasgow. Some are breaking flying rules.
We always had to make sure we had insurance before we would go on holiday abroad.
I still think our NHS is the best in the world thank you to all those work in it as well as the Romanian doctor who saved My life she was brillant.

 

[Sorrel]

The NHS is large enough that there is always going to be a story somewhere in it and emotive enough that it will always be newsworthy. It's unlikely to vanish from the news.

 

[Hastings gull]

The problem is that this is impossible. This is because some politicians firmly believe there should be no privatised elemenst of the NHS, others who think the NHS is a communist organization that should be destroyed, and others (of labour and tory persuasion) who think that a mixed model of public private partnrship is the way forward. In my experience, the NHS, like the HE sector, has attempted to be cost-effective by measuring every aspect of everything, and to do so has evolved a complex system of accounting and auditing, that has massively expanded the administrative side, the health and safely side, the approval process, purchasing, etc etc. At the same time, the health system is vulnerable to exponential cost increases each time there is a new medical discovery. The biologics for example are excessively expensive which is why some monoclonals are not 'approved' in some regions. In the hospitals and in HE, people are employed full time to game the system so that individual hospitals and universities can climb lague tables and threfore attract more money in the mixed economic system.

The solution sadly is brutal. We either nationalise the NHS again (and get rid of the financial bean counting) or we privatise the lot. Same with the HE sector. Sadly there are elements in the tory party who want the NHS destroyed (for a perfectly legitimate reason - they regard it as communistic and fundamentally wrong) and they are working towards this by doing very little - letting it become worse and worse and increasingly costly in the expectation it will become discredited. They have also actively supported, by word and deed (including tax breaks) the private health insurance system which, like private schools, draws the middle class away from the state system, rendering them indifferent or even hostile to the NHS and state schools. And yet somehow the tories who have facilitated the private health process have got away with making it so that NHS consultants using NHS facilities can undertake private practice. How wrong is that?

My view is that the NHS will continue to decline unless the bean counting and mixed market stuff are expunged, and unless the element in the tories implacably opposed to the NHS are exposed, and kept away from influence. This is one of the most important issues in our society and it is right that it is on the news a lot.

But have consultants not undertaken private work ever since the NHS was introduced. Is this a recent phenomenon only sanctioned by the dreadful Tories? I am sure that it is not.