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Brovion

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Jul 6, 2003
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Come on Brovian, you ol' advocate of Beelzebub. You're just being daft now. Still, makes a refreshing change from the host of Divs on here who think it's an affront to their proppa football credentials if certain insulting language/behaviour are taken out of the game. You'd think the sound of Monkey-noises & racist chants should never have been eradicated the way some folk go on...
Not really, I'm trying to point out that really the chants (I refuse to use the word 'banter') aren't 'homophobic' as such. An example: Picture the scene; Brighton have just signed the first openly-gay active (as opposed to retired player). He goes down to take a corner in front of the away fans and they all stand up and shout "Does your boyfriend know you're here". Now that IS homophobic chanting, pure and simple. The player is being singled out because of his sexual orientation in exactly the same way as black players were targetted in the 1970s. In that instance I'd be the first to sign any petition to have it stamped out, and that is despite the fact the away fans were only using the 'mild' chant that curiously, and hypocritically, most of the people who object to the 'homophobic' chants don't seem to mind. In other words there is a real difference between genuine homophobic chanting and generic name-calling of the sheepshagger, inbred, pikey, scrounger, wifebeater, thief, sweaty, mutant, thicko variety that has always been a part of football culture.

In addition I said on another thread that it seems that some people are objecting, not because of any offence to the gay community, but because people said vile and unpleasant things in front of their wives and/or children. Fair enough and I completely understand, but isn't that a different debate? Effectively people are campaigning against bad language and boorish behaviour at football matches. However that sounds a bit TOO twee, even for modern fans, so saying "we're campaigning against homophobia" sounds more acceptable. Especially with the specious "It's the same as the racist chanting in the 1970s" argument thrown in.
 








Leighgull

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Dec 27, 2012
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I give a shit, and it is completely different to what scousers are called.

how?
Are you a parent, do you take your kids to the game?
yes

How would you feel if a group of fans asked if you 'passed your son around'
id lay them out

How would you explain to your son or daughter that you are not 'aids ridden scum'
i would explain that the gentleman making the claim is wrong to say so and I would point out that there are idiots in this world

Do you just laugh it off when you're asked 'if you take it up the arse' in front of your children?
it hasn't happened to my in the first person.

Think of it through the eyes and ears of a parent and tell me it's just harmless banter.
its stupid banter and I would and have put it not context
 






Southern Scouse

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Jul 21, 2011
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If that is all the fans supporters association have to worry about things must be on the up!
Made me cringe when I first saw it on sky to be honest. We could have De Canio as a manager and that would be something to be concerned about!
 








Leighgull

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Dec 27, 2012
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All this complaining is a little bit, well, effete!

It is doing no one any favours. Certainly not us.
 


Acker79

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Nov 15, 2008
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what part of ....IT NEVER SAID IT ON TV ...is it you struggle with ?

The part where I have witnessed the report on ssn three times now and all three times they have specified the gay football supporters network. And the part where under the brighton badge next to the stats (listing the 72% of opposition fans, 70% of away games, 57% of matches all season) it says "source: gay footballer supporters' network".
 






DavidinSouthampton

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To be honest I find the whole thing embarrassing........we hear more about this in the papers than the success of the club..........I'm actually finding it more offensive that the gay community are making such a big issue of it that its causing attention and straight people that choose not to be gay are getting taunted more and more as a result of the drama queens!!!!

I am not gay and I find it offensive.

And people do not "choose" to be gay. They either are or they are not. It is not something that can be "cured", as some of the more nutcase religious groups (or others) might have you believe.
 




LAMBRETTA MAN

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Feb 5, 2012
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I am not gay and I find it offensive.

And people do not "choose" to be gay. They either are or they are not. It is not something that can be "cured", as some of the more nutcase religious groups (or others) might have you believe.

well I am proper gay and I love it , what about my right to listen to it when its directed at me ?
 






Leighgull

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Dec 27, 2012
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I am not gay and I find it offensive.

And people do not "choose" to be gay. They either are or they are not. It is not something that can be "cured", as some of the more nutcase religious groups (or others) might have you believe.

I went to uni with a girl who was totally lesbian as far as we were all aware.

She fell in love with a theology student who is now a priest..3 kids. Married and very suburban.

I also know a lad who was raped as a youngster which has informed his sexuality. He's gay but not happy to be. Would prefer to be straight but can't get it on with girls.
 


marshy68

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Jul 10, 2011
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Brighton
I am not gay and I dont have kids to take to the football. I am not offended by any homophobic chanting - I have happily sung your dirty northern *******s, sheep shaggers etc - i genuinely put it down to banter. For me at football anything goes other than racist abuse. Generally i think that racist abuse tends to be at individual players rather than a generic crowd environment which somehow makes it worse. It is a complex issue but my own moral compass tells me that racism is worse than homophobia. I wait to be crucified.
 






Twinkle Toes

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Apr 4, 2008
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Hoveside
Not really, I'm trying to point out that really the chants (I refuse to use the word 'banter') aren't 'homophobic' as such. An example: Picture the scene; Brighton have just signed the first openly-gay active (as opposed to retired player). He goes down to take a corner in front of the away fans and they all stand up and shout "Does your boyfriend know you're here". Now that IS homophobic chanting, pure and simple. The player is being singled out because of his sexual orientation in exactly the same way as black players were targetted in the 1970s. In that instance I'd be the first to sign any petition to have it stamped out, and that is despite the fact the away fans were only using the 'mild' chant that curiously, and hypocritically, most of the people who object to the 'homophobic' chants don't seem to mind. In other words there is a real difference between genuine homophobic chanting and generic name-calling of the sheepshagger, inbred, pikey, scrounger, wifebeater, thief, sweaty, mutant, thicko variety that has always been a part of football culture.

In addition I said on another thread that it seems that some people are objecting, not because of any offence to the gay community, but because people said vile and unpleasant things in front of their wives and/or children. Fair enough and I completely understand, but isn't that a different debate? Effectively people are campaigning against bad language and boorish behaviour at football matches. However that sounds a bit TOO twee, even for modern fans, so saying "we're campaigning against homophobia" sounds more acceptable. Especially with the specious "It's the same as the racist chanting in the 1970s" argument thrown in.

I agree that the definitions of 'Homophobia' in & around football are certainly not as cut & dried as some people attest to, but I think that one of most important issues - which you have illustrated above - is how specific language (& indeed accompanying actions & context) makes individual supporters & fellow members of society feel.

By choice, I seek to keep my own sexual preferences to myself the vast majority of the time & I'm not ashamed to say this is partly due to prejudice. I have been threatened & verbally abused on a number of occassions by both Albion-supporting individuals & opposing supporters, and every time it's been purely down to their perception of my non-heterosexuality. Regardless of my ability to respond effectively & decisively, it always ****ing horrible; unwarrented & upsetting. It might well be a far cry from a bit of "We can see you holding hands", but it's clear to me that more needs to be done to allow folk to go to the football without fear of being abused because of who they might be attracted to or where they might live.

It's all well & good for the various authorities to pontificate about takling homophobia in and around football, but most of the time their actions fall well short of any aims & objectives. I'm sure those who know me on here would never describe me as a killjoy or somebody who doesn't love the combative nature of actively supporting a football club, but it doesn't mean that I also have to be at odds with what acceptable or not. I live by the rule that if it makes you feel like shit, it is shit: & that goes for all of us in our multitude of lives & guises. Anyways I've had my say now, so hopefully anybody reading this didn't nod off after the first line!
 


Leighgull

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Dec 27, 2012
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I agree that the definitions of 'Homophobia' in & around football are certainly not as cut & dried as some people attest to, but I think that one of most important issues - which you have illustrated above - is how specific language (& indeed accompanying actions & context) makes individual supporters & fellow members of society feel.

By choice, I seek to keep my own sexual preferences to myself the vast majority of the time & I'm not ashamed to say this is partly due to prejudice. I have been threatened & verbally abused on a number of occassions by both Albion-supporting individuals & opposing supporters, and every time it's been purely down to their perception of my non-heterosexuality. Regardless of my ability to respond effectively & decisively, it always ****ing horrible; unwarrented & upsetting. It might well be a far cry from a bit of "We can see you holding hands", but it's clear to me that more needs to be done to allow folk to go to the football without fear of being abused because of who they might be attracted to or where they might live.

It's all well & good for the various authorities to pontificate about takling homophobia in and around football, but most of the time their actions fall well short of any aims & objectives. I'm sure those who know me on here would never describe me as a killjoy or somebody who doesn't love the combative nature of actively supporting a football club, but it doesn't mean that I also have to be at odds with what acceptable or not. I live by the rule that if it makes you feel like shit, it is shit: & that goes for all of us in our multitude of lives & guises. Anyways I've had my say now, so hopefully anybody reading this didn't nod off after the first line!

If you've been singled out by Albion fans then that is a ****ing disgrace. Oppo...nothing is beneath them. Try and ignore it.
 


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