[Misc] Battle Of Agincourt 1415

[Tarpon]

I've always undestood the the v sign origin thing to be a myth because:

- it took more than two fingers to draw a long bow
- bowmen would not have had the money to buy their freedom so were more likely to be put to the sword than taken prisoner.
- there's no primary evidence of the bowmen flicking the Vs

Nice story tho.

 

[Gwylan]

Went to the site of the battle last year: you can still see the rough layout of the terrain (although there's a road that cuts through it). There's a rather good museum and exhibition nearby too: for a French defeat, it's rather well celebrated. I think there's a certain admiration for the English victory against the odds and, as a someone said earlier, some disdain for the French aristocracy who made a succession of bad tactical decisions

 

[Worried Man Blues]

and the King, he was Welsh as well!

Yes you are right mustn't forget the Welsh archers.

 

[alfredmizen]

and the King, he was Welsh as well!

He wasn't , he was born in monmouth of english/norman parents.

 

[scamander]

Went to the site of the battle last year: you can still see the rough layout of the terrain (although there's a road that cuts through it). There's a rather good museum and exhibition nearby too: for a French defeat, it's rather well celebrated. I think there's a certain admiration for the English victory against the odds and, as a someone said earlier, some disdain for the French aristocracy who made a succession of bad tactical decisions

Agree - the whole episode was a bit of a shambles by both sides, read Ian Mortimer's 1415 - a cracking book.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but is this where the V sign originated?. The English archers used to give the V sign to indicate that they have got both of their bow fingers intact.
Because when they were captured the two fingers were cut off?.

Aparently, highly unlikely to be true as this story is unheard of before the 1970s. Doesn't sound very likely to me anyway, you certainly couldn't draw a huge longbow with 2 fingers.

 

[Worried Man Blues]

Where's Monmouth?

He wasn't , he was born in monmouth of english/norman parents.

 

[alfredmizen]

Where's Monmouth?

had this argument before , so according to your logic raheem sterling and mo farah are jamaican and somalian respectively then ?

 

[Worried Man Blues]

I don't know where they were born, I was born in Sutton but can trace 300 years of my family in Sussex, does that mean I am actually Sussaxian?

had this argument before , so according to your logic raheem sterling and mo farah are jamaican and somalian respectively then ?

 

[alfredmizen]

I don't know where they were born, I was born in Sutton but can trace 300 years of my family in Sussex, does that mean I am actually Sussaxian?

It doesnt take sherlock holmes like sleuthing skills to guess they were born in somalia and jamaica

 

[Gwylan]

He wasn't , he was born in monmouth of english/norman parents.

FLUELLEN
Your majesty says very true: if your majesties is
remembered of it, the Welshmen did good service in a
garden where leeks did grow, wearing leeks in their
Monmouth caps; which, your majesty know, to this
hour is an honourable badge of the service; and I do
believe your majesty takes no scorn to wear the leek
upon Saint Tavy’s day.
KING HENRY V
I wear it for a memorable honour;
For I am Welsh, you know, good countryman.
FLUELLEN
All the water in Wye cannot wash your majesty’s
Welsh plood out of your pody, I can tell you that:
God pless it and preserve it, as long as it pleases
his grace, and his majesty too!
KING HENRY V
Thanks, good my countryman.

 

[alfredmizen]

FLUELLEN
Your majesty says very true: if your majesties is
remembered of it, the Welshmen did good service in a
garden where leeks did grow, wearing leeks in their
Monmouth caps; which, your majesty know, to this
hour is an honourable badge of the service; and I do
believe your majesty takes no scorn to wear the leek
upon Saint Tavy’s day.
KING HENRY V
I wear it for a memorable honour;
For I am Welsh, you know, good countryman.
FLUELLEN
All the water in Wye cannot wash your majesty’s
Welsh plood out of your pody, I can tell you that:
God pless it and preserve it, as long as it pleases
his grace, and his majesty too!
KING HENRY V
Thanks, good my countryman.

ah, if shakespeare says it , it MUST be true.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Not sure if this http://www.agincourt600.com/for-i-am-welsh-you-know-welshmen-myth-and-reality-at-agincourt/ link helps regarding all matters Welsh.

 

[alfredmizen]

Not sure if this http://www.agincourt600.com/for-i-am-welsh-you-know-welshmen-myth-and-reality-at-agincourt/ link helps regarding all matters Welsh.

Pretty much puts to bed the myth that a lot of Henry's army was welsh , i get a bit bored with all this small country whining and neediness , constantly trying to claim things that arent really true, same goes for Rorkes drift , another myth that it was mainly welsh soldiers .

 

[El Presidente]

i get a bit bored with all this small country whining and neediness , constantly trying to claim things that arent really true.

I sincerely HOPE that the stories I have heard about WELSH singer Katherine Jenkins are true though.

 

[alfredmizen]

I sincerely HOPE that the stories I have heard about WELSH singer Katherine Jenkins and true though.

Now i DEMAND a PM detailing what you've heard ........please .

 

[withdeanwombat]

If Sky had got hold of it it would have been moved to 1735 on a Sunday.

 

[El Presidente]

Now i DEMAND a PM detailing what you've heard ........please .

No DETAILS, but suffice to say she makes Pam from Audenshaw look like Mother Theresa.

 

[alfredmizen]

No DETAILS, but suffice to say she makes Pam from Audenshaw look like Mother Theresa.

id leave her with a FACE like a PAINTERS radio

 

[Elvis]

Pretty much puts to bed the myth that a lot of Henry's army was welsh , i get a bit bored with all this small country whining and neediness , constantly trying to claim things that arent really true, same goes for Rorkes drift , another myth that it was mainly welsh soldiers .

I don't think the men of The Warwickshire Regiment were as good at singing.