Barn door Barnes

[Husty]

Yup.

Someone mentioned a one on one opportunity. Can't for the life of me remember that. He didn't have his best game last night and I wasn't surprised he was subbed. But to pick him out and say he should never play again is quite frankly ludicrous.

He was clear through on goal in the first half but the shot was comfortable for the keeper.

 

[blockhseagull]

He didn't have a great game last night but still has something to offer.

Would he be in my starting 11 ? No but until Gus lets the brakes off a little and is a little less cautious I believe that he will retain his place

 

[Albumen]

He was clear through on goal in the first half but the shot was comfortable for the keeper.

He was 25 yards out with 2 defenders closing him down. I wouldn't say that was 1 on 1. He hit it early to surprise the keeper, could have done better.

 

[halbpro]

What game did you watch?

CMS was a very close 2nd to WB in the MOM stakes, that was his best performance at the Amex for a while and I feel very postive this will be a good season for him.

Couldn't agree more, CMS played brilliantly. That little heel flick shot that was straight off the training ground? Thing of beauty. Can't remember who passed it to him, but was just wonderful.

 

[Questions]

With CMS unable to hit a cows arse with a banjo this is not the time to be taking Barnes off when we are looking to score at home and take all 3 points. Like Hansy says earlier there were opportunities later on that did not materialise because of his absence. I,m not his biggest fan but subbing him last night and playing Vicente too far forward again just does not work.

Now Dicker ? well that is for Gus to explain.

 

[Titus]

Nobody in the squad out scored him last season or the season before. And come to that this season too.

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

barnes didn't have much of a problem last night...

 

[DJ Leon]

Making it into a team containing such footballing geniuses as Ryan Harley and Gary Dicker doesn't prove a lot, are you seriously trying to argue Barnes isn't lightweight here?

I'm happy to argue that yes, don't make out that that puts me in a minority. YOU are in the minority.

Getting in a decent Championship side does prove a lot. As an Albion fan, that's all the more impressive given who were are and where we came from.

2 questions I'm interested to know the answer to:

1. Do you go to home games?
2. When did you start going to games regularly?

 

[Husty]

I'm happy to argue that yes, don't make out that that puts me in a minority. YOU are in the minority.

Getting in a decent Championship side does prove a lot. As an Albion fan, that's all the more impressive given who were are and where we came from.

2 questions I'm interested to know the answer to:

1. Do you go to home games?
2. When did you start going to games regularly?

And what relevance does that information have to the fact that Barnes is lightweight. I'm not saying he is a terrible player by any stretch but if you're going to be one of these morons who wont even acknowledge that our players are not entirely perfect i'm going to argue with you about it.

 

[Mr Burns]

It wasn't one of Ashley's best games, that's for sure. He had two chances. The header he should have buried. The other one just wouldn't sit down enough for him to get the shot away, before the two defenders muscled him out of it. (Mr Burn's claim that he 'missed a chance from outside the box' is pretty pathetic, and the kind of thing that undermines his valid points).

How it is pathetic? Granted saying a weak shot that the keeper saved without any effort, may have been a better way of putting it, but it was a chance just outside the box, that he should have done much better with. Not saying he should have 100% scored like he should his header, but he should have at least made the keeper break a sweat.

 

[Mr Burns]

In fairness to Barnes, he had a better game than CMS.

When? Swindon he did. If you are claiming Barnes was better than CMS last night, please can a mod close this thread before a Palace supporter sees it. We'll never live that comment down.

Barnes was so shit last night, even Poyet took him off.

 

[bhawoddy]

I'm happy to argue that yes, don't make out that that puts me in a minority. YOU are in the minority.

Getting in a decent Championship side does prove a lot. As an Albion fan, that's all the more impressive given who were are and where we came from.

2 questions I'm interested to know the answer to:

1. Do you go to home games?
2. When did you start going to games regularly?

seen this twice in 2 days now - searching for more "where we came froms"

 

[Weststander]

I'm happy with Barnes's contribution, including what he has done for us over the last 13 months, when asked to step up a level. The young man that cost us very little, has done well.

If Harley, Dicker & CMS left the club with better quality coming in, I wouldn't shed a tear.
Can't see those 3 being part of a first 11 that gets us to the PL.

 

[glasfryn]

And time and time again he proves people like you wrong!

and will again how many were saying this about the same time last year

for Gods sake get off there backs or go a support a team that scores plenty of goal MU prehaps OH no wait a minute how much did they spend on the last messiah

Christ on a bike get a grip you lot

 

[Matt Richards]

Agree with HKFC. The major frustration around Barnes is that his movement is actually very good and he gets himself into a lot of fantastic positions that CMS and others in the Championship do not. He also works very hard and gets back far better than anyone else from an attacking perspective which helps us a lot from a defensive perspective. However, his major drawback is that his touch is terrible and his stats in terms of shots on target as a percentage of opportunities is very poor. He also gives the ball away a lot and has a very annoying habit of falling over when any opposition player comes within six feet of him.

CMS is a confidence player (with low confidence at the moment but not as low as last year) and I can still see that when he gets on a run he could score goals for fun. I could never see Barnes doing that but that is not to say he has not been a good player for us. He is not going to be the player that fires us to the Premier League but is as good as we have at the moment,

 

[Pavilionaire]

So it is because of his cost? You rate Barnes on the fact he cost £65k? So on that basis, if we pulled someone out of county league for nothing, and paid him £50 a game, no one can say anything negative, because he hardly cost us anything.

Obviously not that extreme, but that is your basic argument. Don't say anything negative about Barnes, because he only cost £65. Anyway you didn't answer, are you seriosuly saying Barnes out performed CMS tonight and at Hull?

In simple terms players who command big fees have agents who ask for big wages. CMS cost £2.75m, Barnes cost buttons, CMS is on the big wages, Barnes is on the small wages.

So, yes, if blame is to be apportioned when both players draw a blank I'd start with the guy earning the big bucks. He gets paid more because he's supposed to be better than the guy getting paid less. Except the guy getting less was our top scorer last season.

 

[Seagull over Canaryland]

Barnes - 'still work in progress', a young player learning his art and probably still only at 90% of his full potential. He scores audacious goals and has the cockiness that many top strikers possess. Yet he is often played in a wider and deeper position that hardly compliments his strengths so is remarkable that he got so many goals. Yes he didn't find his mark last night and also fluffed two great chances at Hull and contributes little else other than his trademark petulance but I would still like to see him in the frame. I suspect he may be on the bench if we manage to sign another striker. However I think it would be a tad unfair on Barnes if the new striker is allowed to play in a more advanced position. I would be curious to roll the clock forward 2 or 3 years and see where Barnes is then in terms of skill and goalscoring, he could be very special with more encouragement and if played in the right position on the park.

Dicker - ok he had a good-ish game on Saturday but he is consistently ponderous at this level and doesn't have the speed of thought and skill to execute the killer balls or moves that Vicente can, and could make the difference at this level. Even if Vicente isn't available I would like to have seen JFC get a go, he has the energy and enthusiasm plus plenty of talent. If clubs like Southampton can play 17 year olds against the Prem Champions why can't we in the Championship? My regret at JFC going out on loan is that he is missing out on being mentored by Vicente.

 

[Mr Burns]

In simple terms players who command big fees have agents who ask for big wages. CMS cost £2.75m, Barnes cost buttons, CMS is on the big wages, Barnes is on the small wages.

So, yes, if blame is to be apportioned when both players draw a blank I'd start with the guy earning the big bucks. He gets paid more because he's supposed to be better than the guy getting paid less. Except the guy getting less was our top scorer last season.

 

[DJ Leon]

And what relevance does that information have to the fact that Barnes is lightweight. I'm not saying he is a terrible player by any stretch but if you're going to be one of these morons who wont even acknowledge that our players are not entirely perfect i'm going to argue with you about it.

I think the argument that he's lightweight is bullshit, I'd say he was one of our more physical players. His protection of the ball is often excellent.

Of course I don't think our players are perfect and I think criticism is fine, but most of the nonsense in this thread, and others on Barnes, is beyond valid criticism. I mean seriously, are we to really suggest the fact that he's out top goalscorer is irrelevent? Ludicrous.

The information I asked for is completely relevant BTW, I'm asking about the experience you have in judging this player. Why not just say?

 

[DJ Leon]

seen this twice in 2 days now - searching for more "where we came froms"

Who is the 'we' you refer to?