Banner in support of No to Hull Tigers campaign ???

[jgmcdee]

You are missing the point. Goal music at OUR club, name change at their club.

If TB suggested a name change I would go mental, I just wouldn't be asking Hull fans for support.

And I believe the point that others are making is that if there was previous of clubs having their names changed and the fans moaning about it but then everything carrying on regardless he would go right ahead with it and ignore our protests. If on the other hand there was previous of it being a major issue with reputational and financial repercussions he might think twice.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Of course you are correct but then if you are going to use that as your comparison point then there is no point in commenting on football matters ever is there. Which would render this site pretty meaningless.

A fair comment. I think it is a valid case to comment on and for those wanting to make a stand, good for you and I mean that in a sincere way. I don't personally think it is a massive deal compared to other teams plights over the years but obviously a lot of people feel strongly about it.

 

[Bold Seagull]

The owner is doing something that (I guess) the vast majority of Hull Fans do not want and not only do they not want it, they're angry about it. And it's a change which is being made purely because the owner fancies it. There's very little business case for it.

I don't agree with it for a second, but the business case is very clear and it's not about football fans, it's about the millions of people worldwide who tune into the Premier League, or NFL, or whatever global sport, and want to pick a team. They do this basically on brand, how cool the name is, what's the clubs history etc. Once they start picking a team, then your global sponsorship, endorsement deals roll in.

The business case is that renaming them Hull Tigers aligns them with what a global sports market is used to. He knows that some kid in Bangkok, or anywhere in the Far East where the Tiger is such a prominent cultural icon, that Hull Tigers is more likely to be supported than Hull City.

I have every sympathy with their fans, but you can also understand that the PL is a global product in a competitive market and the owner is looking for a bit of an edge to get them more support, better sponsorship and endorsement deals.

I don't say it's right, but I can understand the logic.

I will happily support Hull's campaign though! All this tribal nonsense - we're all football fans, you have empathy with a team going through something you wouldn't want to go through yourself.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Some people are missing the point completely.

When we needed help - Hull and other clubs where there for us. People who are saying it's none of our business are totally wrong and should take a long look at their morals. Yes - I understand it's the Hull owners 'buisness' and I understand how free market economics work, but that's not the point. Football fans have been coming under a deluge of pressure in the last decade, rising ticket prices, (alongside the secondary costs of watching football have soared) have meant fans now have to fork out more than ever before to watch their team play.

This is the problem - someone above said football is tribal - maybe in the heat of a matchday i can understand that, but not in a general sense. Us football fans - the real fans, such as those from Brighton and Hull are the ones who were 'their' when we were really bad - we suffered, and now their identity is being completely changed, we should unite around them as they did with us - we the fans are football, not the owners or the businessmen . Should we have been fine with what Archer et al did - 'oh it's their company - I won't question them, they can do what they want' - the fact is rightly no one took that view, but now because it's another club people don't seem to care - selfishness personified.

Football Fans are a population within the self - who else who go to Rochdale on a Tuesday night to see a 3-0 defeat and still go on the Saturday? If football didn't have the fans it would not be anything - don't let us turn into a corporate sham like American sports or even Super League, we have a proud history, and clubs should recognise that. Fans United - will never be defeated.

No to Hull Tigers.

 

[The Large One]

What about changing kits, managers etc.. You just can't fight every battle under the hideous 'football family' banner.
Football is tribal and I enjoy that rivalry. It doesn't mean that I don't drink and talk to the opposition, but I don't like it when self appointed fan groups represent my club. Do what you want on an individual basis, but don't lump us all in together

What are you on about?

Who is 'lumping us together'? Who is the 'self-appointed fans group'?

It's Hull City fans who are asking for support when it comes to the FA deciding whether the name-change can go ahead. Whether you support this notion or not is up to you, but to create issues which aren't there doesn't add to the debate.

 

[Betfair Bozo]

A fair comment. I think it is a valid case to comment on and for those wanting to make a stand, good for you and I mean that in a sincere way. I don't personally think it is a massive deal compared to other teams plights over the years but obviously a lot of people feel strongly about it.

A fair minded response. I think it's just part of a wider issue concerning clubs' governance and the attitude of (some) owners to supporters.

 

[Lord Bamber]

And it could have all been so different.

Richard Vaughan "Awful news about whats happening at Brighton. Their fans need help. I think we should lend them our voice, our support. Let football talk rather than the owners. Could be quite powerful?"

Plymouth Fans Internet Board "Stuff that. A poxy love in. Why should we help them? Football united, crazy idea! Why bother, they made their own beds supporting the poofy seagulls, they can lie in it. Not for me. Move along now. Nothing to see!"

Richard Vaughan "Oh. Okay, was just a thought."

Lucky for us it wasn't.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

And it could have all been so different.

Richard Vaughan "Awful news about whats happening at Brighton. Their fans need help. I think we should lend them our voice, our support. Let football talk rather than the owners. Could be quite powerful?"

Plymouth Fans Internet Board "Stuff that. A poxy love in. Why should we help them? Football united, crazy idea! Why bother, they made their own beds supporting the poofy seagulls, they can lie in it. Not for me. Move along now. Nothing to see!"

Richard Vaughan "Oh. Okay, was just a thought."

Lucky for us it wasn't.

We are talking about a change of name not a club going extinct.

 

[Lord Bamber]

We are talking about a change of name not a club going extinct.

You say potato. I say potato.

 

[Stoo82]

We are talking about a change of name not a club going extinct.

Philosophically, it's the same thing. Hull City will cease to exist.

 

[Ernest]

Why don't Hull fans have a MASSIVE protest ? Do a York City like we did instead of having group hugs and singing hymns

 

[Hamilton]

Why don't Hull fans have a MASSIVE protest ? Do a York City like we did instead of having group hugs and singing hymns

Like this you mean?

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Fans...arch-Norwich/story-19705383-detail/story.html

 

[Moshe Gariani]

You say potato. I say potato.

I read that as "You say potato. I say potato".

 

[Husty]

This. "Banter" with the opposition is a jokey, mickey-take between friends who support different clubs because they live in different cities - this is good. You try to raise your team up and I'll do the same, but it's not banter that disappears at what some have been calling a "love-in", it's the tribal hatred of someone for no good reason.

If Hull supporters reached out and asked for a banner then we bloody well should be putting it up, if they don't then we don't. But we should never refuse just because some neanderthals don't know the difference between banter and hatred.

Oh dear. Bed wetters out in force.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Like this you mean?

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Fans...arch-Norwich/story-19705383-detail/story.html

A few kids holding up A4 sheets in the park? That'll show 'em.

I think the comments on the story are more telling, tbh:

People happy enough to be in Prem.- Due to allams rescuing club with £60m, appointing Steve Bruce then backing him in transfer market. I see 6000 have "signed a petition" against name change too- about 1000 more than used to attend games at Boothferry Park circa 2001?? Got to have something to moan about, eh? Typical `ull mentality- glass half empty with unrealistic expectations....

Whatever it is called it's the Football Team we support and watch and pointless demonstration just put us more on the map as an embarrassment to football. A minority spoilt what the other 23,187 enjoyed - FOOTBALL not politics. Have a good weekend !

Take it from me many many supporters know this is a total none story and ignored this stupid protest WE ARE STILL HULL CITY. WE ARE STILL REGISTERED AS HULL CITY. THE ONLY CHANGE IS OUR BUISNESS NAME IS HULL CITY TIGERS / HULL TIGERS . Total none story and a handfull of ' ultras' are not important. Most if them have only been watching city for few seasons. right now for Hull City we have our BEST OWNERS EVER BEST MANAGER EVER BEST TEAM EVER If we do become registered as HULL CITY TIGERS thats fine by me... STATUE FOR THE HEROIC ALLAMS with out them we wouldnt have been watching a great game yesterday in the premier league THERES NO NEGATIVES.

 

[Hamilton]

A few kids holding up A4 sheets in the park? That'll show 'em.

I think the comments on the story are more telling, tbh:

Crikey. I must cut and paste the Argus comments page and use it as a reflection of what Albion fans think. Goodness me.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Crikey. I must cut and paste the Argus comments page and use it as a reflection of what Albion fans think. Goodness me.

Don't be obtuse.

Its a far more accurate pointer to what SOME Hull fans think, than opinions on HERE about what people ASSUME they think.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Don't be obtuse.

Its a far more accurate pointer to what SOME Hull fans think, than opinions on HERE about what people ASSUME they think.

I think you have nailed it there hans. Well done.

 

[User removed 4]

Don't be obtuse.

Its a far more accurate pointer to what SOME Hull fans think, than opinions on HERE about what people ASSUME they think.

spot on.

 

[Hamilton]

Don't be obtuse.

Its a far more accurate pointer to what SOME Hull fans think, than opinions on HERE about what people ASSUME they think.

I point you to a page in Build a Bonfire where our own fans pleaded with other fans not to ignore the boycott of the home game against (I can't remember who - Swansea maybe). There will always be divided opinion. It's a matter of principle.

When the first protests against Archer started, it was a few voices. Not the majority immediately. You should know that. That's not me being obtuse.

And no, I'm not comparing the name change to Archer before I'm picked up on that - that would be obtuse.