[News] Awful news coming in from Southport.

[dangull]

I wouldn't.

Would you like to know the reasons why Mary Bell tortured and murdered two infants? Or Huntley? Or that piece of shit who killed the 'babes in the wood'?

If any of them could offer a reason it would seem mad. Can you think of a reason that would make any sense? Can you imagine saying 'oh yeah, it makes sense, now'. And even if you could, so what?

The only question is whether they are criminally responsible. And if not, why their psychosis or whatever it is wasn't picked up in time. That's a matter for due process.

And at the end of the day I am still not interested. I don't really feel I have a right to demand that my morbid curiosity be satisfied.

Sorry, I didn't mean that to come out as harsh as it may sound.

That told me. Fair points though

 

[ozzygull]

The ****s (and there really is no other word for them) are stoking the flames to create as much unrest as possible...

An "Arab man" with a machete was out in Southport tonight...



...or was he Asian?...



Whilst the original knife attacker was "straight off a boat"...

That is why I deleted the X app if I just glanced at something like that then my feed would just be filled with hate filled lies. I could see how someone could get dragged into a way of thinking and with each thing that they look at would get more and more extreme. X is a cesspit

 

[Easy 10]

As if the last 24 hours has not been traumatic enough for that grieving community, to have a bunch of feral rent-a-mob deadbeat RATBOYS descending on their town tonight causing havoc must be just about unbearable.

On the whole I'm a fairly tolerant easy-going chap who doesn't usually get overly upset or emotional at things. But after being so upset at the news from yesterday, to then see the events of this evening has absolutely boiled my piss.

I'd love to have seen these c*nts teargassed, charged upon, and then violently thumped into major blunt-force trauma by the police. It would have been entirely justified.

Scum. Pure, ignorant, vile pond-dwelling FILTH who should have been drowned at birth. I can't remember feeling so ashamed and disgusted at the actions of my "fellow" countrymen.

 

[Yoda]

It’s not just X. Instagram and especially YouTube are just as bad.
Before, it was right wing papers like the Daily Mail backing Hitler.

It's no longer Social Media. It's Unsocial Media. A place for lies to spread, conspiracies to fester and separate us further into them and us. It's been gradually happening over the past 10 years but has pick up even more pace since Covid.

 

[GT49er]

As if the last 24 hours has not been traumatic enough for that grieving community, to have a bunch of feral rent-a-mob deadbeat RATBOYS descending on their town tonight causing havoc must be just about unbearable.

On the whole I'm a fairly tolerant easy-going chap who doesn't usually get overly upset or emotional at things. But after being so upset at the news from yesterday, to then see the events of this evening has absolutely boiled my piss.

I'd love to have seen these c*nts teargassed, charged upon, and then violently thumped into major blunt-force trauma by the police. It would have been entirely justified.

Scum. Pure, ignorant, vile pond-dwelling FILTH who should have been drowned at birth. I can't remember feeling so ashamed and disgusted at the actions of my "fellow" countrym

There is a dichotomy in Police responses to different situations, unfortunately. Peaceful protests or marches are treated one way - anti-nuclear protests, ban the bomb, anti-apartheid (stop the tour marches in 1970), anti-Vietnam protests .................. and yes, even the miners' strike - suddenly coach loads of fully armoured police suddenly appear, all tooled up and itching for a baton charge ...................... and mounted police coming in at the gallop, not just trotting around looking hard. I've experienced a police horse charge (Manchester, 1970; it was f***in' scary, I would have shit myself if I hadn't gone before I went out) and seen one (Palace fans being chased down Goldstone Lane - I quite enjoyed ng that one! Probably shouldn't have done - bad me!)
Then Southport tonight (and Leeds the other day) when the demonstrators have no 'cause', no justification other than the lure of a bit of drunken aggro, and the chance of a bit of gratuitous thieving, looting, vandalism and maybe - if you're lucky - a bit of arson that you can get away with, and the police response seems to be, don't go in, don't hurt anybody, spend a couple of days watching Whatsap, then maybe a few minor convictions ..................... targets met, all's well.
I don't like to see coach loads of fully armed police turning up, spoiling to break a few heads, and mounted police on the charge - but circumstances like tonight, that's just what they should have been doing.

IMHO, like.

 

[Easy 10]

There is a dichotomy in Police responses to different situations, unfortunately. Peaceful protests or marches are treated one way - anti-nuclear protests, ban the bomb, anti-apartheid (stop the tour marches in 1970), anti-Vietnam protests .................. and yes, even the miners' strike - suddenly coach loads of fully armoured police suddenly appear, all tooled up and itching for a baton charge ...................... and mounted police coming in at the gallop, not just trotting around looking hard. I've experienced a police horse charge (Manchester, 1970; it was f***in' scary, I would have shit myself if I hadn't gone before I went out) and seen one (Palace fans being chased down Goldstone Lane - I quite enjoyed ng that one! Probably shouldn't have done - bad me!)
Then Southport tonight (and Leeds the other day) when the demonstrators have no 'cause', no justification other than the lure of a bit of drunken aggro, and the chance of a bit of gratuitous thieving, looting, vandalism and maybe - if you're lucky - a bit of arson that you can get away with, and the police response seems to be, don't go in, don't hurt anybody, spend a couple of days watching Whatsap, then maybe a few minor convictions ..................... targets met, all's well.
I don't like to see coach loads of fully armed police turning up, spoiling to break a few heads, and mounted police on the charge - but circumstances like tonight, that's just what they should have been doing.

IMHO, like.

Couldn't agree more.
Like you, its not something I would ever want to see from the police against genuine protesters.

But what happened tonight wasn't a protest. It was a mob of opportunistic racist c*nts using a tragedy - a HORRIFIC tragedy of an unimaginable scale - to run amok in the streets of a grieving community and cause havoc. Vermin is too high a word for them. They are drooling rancid filth who fully deserved to have their stupid ignorant heads violently bludgeoned into a moshed-up pulp.

Just looking at their grinning moronic faces fair turned my stomach. I hope they all die of gonorrhoea on Christmas Eve.

 

[Zeberdi]

Couldn't agree more.
Like you, its not something I would ever want to see from the police against genuine protesters.

But what happened tonight wasn't a protest. It was a mob of opportunistic racist c*nts using a tragedy - a HORRIFIC tragedy of an unimaginable scale - to run amok in the streets of a grieving community and cause havoc. Vermin is too high a word for them. They are drooling rancid filth who fully deserved to have their stupid ignorant heads violently bludgeoned into a moshed-up pulp.

Just looking at their grinning moronic faces fair turned my stomach. I hope they all die of gonorrhoea on Christmas Eve.

And while racist twunts like Robinson and his far right followers are stoking the flames of racial hatred and unrest online, some unfortunately are more than happy to allow themselves to be stoked into violent action with nothing other than a fascination for violence to motivate them..

At times like this, when racial tensions are very high, those that can keep a level head and appeal for calm and respect for those that have died or suffered trauma have my absolute support. The last thing we need imo are ‘vigilante’ responses and violent attitudes raising the tempo of aggression even further as a response to aggression - that is just escalating unrest even more.

More and more people are being drawn to violence for the sake of violence with no ideological rationale and perpetrators are getting younger - as responsible adults online, I think we all have a part to play in countering that trend not with violent words and dehumanising responses but by tempering our reactions with rational and lawful condemnation of all forms of violence in our society- whether it be verbal or physical.

Violence begets violence.

Rise in people simply fascinated by violence - warn terror police

UK and US officers say they are seeing threats from individuals who don't support a particular ideology.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Chicken Run]

And while racist twunts like Robinson and his far right followers are stoking the flames of racial hatred and unrest online, some unfortunately are more than happy to allow themselves to be stoked into violent action with nothing other than a fascination for violence to motivate them..

At times like this, when racial tensions are very high, those that can keep a level head and appeal for calm and respect for those that have died or suffered trauma have my absolute support. The last thing we need imo are ‘vigilante’ responses and violent attitudes raising the tempo of aggression even further as a response to aggression - that is just escalating unrest even more.

More and more people are being drawn to violence for the sake of violence with no ideological rationale and perpetrators are getting younger - as responsible adults online, I think we all have a part to play in countering that trend not with violent words and dehumanising responses but by tempering our reactions with rational and lawful condemnation of all forms of violence in our society- whether it be verbal or physical.

Violence begets violence.

Rise in people simply fascinated by violence - warn terror police

UK and US officers say they are seeing threats from individuals who don't support a particular ideology.

www.bbc.co.uk

What about shutting down social media, i’m certain i recall a better time before it became a thing ?

 

[JetsetJimbo]

What about shutting down social media, i’m certain i recall a better time before it became a thing ?

This is a story I don't share very often, but one of the big reasons* I lost my Catholic faith as a child was that the story of the Tower of Babel really rankled with me. I still remember the RE class in which we were taught it. Why would God be angry that everyone could communicate? Surely that's a good thing?

Forty-odd years later and it feels like a warning we failed to heed.

(*The main reason was that "believing without evidence" never sat well with me, but this definitely contributed.)

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I was thinking about tonight's events, and how things have predictably, crassly and without any sensitivity, became a political affair for those elsewhere who saw an opportunity to steal others grief and use it fuel their own agenda. I suppose we all knew it would regardless, we just hoped otherwise.

I thought of Orwell's 1984 and how so much of it rings true. How easily people of feeble, and not so feeble, mind can be influenced. I remembered the 'two minute hate' the daily ritual in which members of the nation are shown a film about their political enemies- real or imagined..

'The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but, on the contrary, that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge-hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp'

I certainly would not say that I “knew it would regardless”. After hearing the initial news of the stabbings I had no inkling that it would turn in to this. Even when hearing that the perpetrator had Rwandan parents didn’t trigger any notion of this. I am probably naive, though, and am not getting at you in saying this.

But surely the English Defence League has to be banned!

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

As if the last 24 hours has not been traumatic enough for that grieving community, to have a bunch of feral rent-a-mob deadbeat RATBOYS descending on their town tonight causing havoc must be just about unbearable.

On the whole I'm a fairly tolerant easy-going chap who doesn't usually get overly upset or emotional at things. But after being so upset at the news from yesterday, to then see the events of this evening has absolutely boiled my piss.

I'd love to have seen these c*nts teargassed, charged upon, and then violently thumped into major blunt-force trauma by the police. It would have been entirely justified.

Scum. Pure, ignorant, vile pond-dwelling FILTH who should have been drowned at birth. I can't remember feeling so ashamed and disgusted at the actions of my "fellow" countrymen.

I can identify with just about all of that, whilst wanting the reactions of the police to stay within the law……

 

[dazzer6666]

Fascinating thread…..

 

[Hometownglory]

Total clueless idiots jumping on the back of devastating grief.

I deleted X as it become an absolute cesspit. The scary thing about social media as a whole is the algorithm, pushing content on the user that it'll think they'll like / want to see. With very little information verified, is an easy and effective way of spreading hate and fake news. It's been an effective way of radicalisation for years.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

This is a story I don't share very often, but one of the big reasons* I lost my Catholic faith as a child was that the story of the Tower of Babel really rankled with me. I still remember the RE class in which we were taught it. Why would God be angry that everyone could communicate? Surely that's a good thing?

Forty-odd years later and it feels like a warning we failed to heed.

(*The main reason was that "believing without evidence" never sat well with me, but this definitely contributed.)

I agree with your point, but the point of the story is supposed to teach about man's pride and folly, the tower represents man's achievements which will always fall short of God's. Mixing the languages was a convenient way to explain the genuine process that happens with language although of course the writers/oral tradition didn't probably know that.

 

[Springal]

Twat goading the police gets hit right in the plums by a brick being thrown at them. Karma…..

 

[Guinness Boy]

The far right using this to fuel their own hate filled agenda is the most disgusting thing I’ve ever seen on the internet.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

What about shutting down social media, i’m certain i recall a better time before it became a thing ?

Shutting all social media would mean the end of NSC. I would like Twitter to be banned though.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Total clueless idiots jumping on the back of devastating grief.

I deleted X as it become an absolute cesspit. The scary thing about social media as a whole is the algorithm, pushing content on the user that it'll think they'll like / want to see. With very little information verified, is an easy and effective way of spreading hate and fake news. It's been an effective way of radicalisation for years.

The community notes make me laugh. A good idea in principle. But take that Andrew Tait tweet for example.

Despite having a note under it basically saying "This tweet is absolute bullshit" it has 4 million views.

 

[mikeyjh]

That is magnificent - I think it's three times, deflected off the police shield - 'The tickler', back of the head - 'The reducer', right in the clackers - 'the coup de grace'.