LamieRobertson
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Aviation industry and Covid-19
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beorhthelm
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funny thing is, we are simply moving into line with europe, who have restrictions and quarantine in place until either 15th June or 1st July. theres not many destinations to go to until then. its just to tick the box then relax restrictions in July as others do so.
https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/09...ir-borders-ahead-of-the-summer-holiday-season
Weststander
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Very true. I’ve looked at the underlying rules throughout.
Denmark, Norway, France and the ROI still have strict travel and tourism restrictions. It’s goes under reported in the UK, because the media want a narrative that we’re the odd one out. Non-French entering France not in transit or on essential business must quarantine.
Elsewhere, a mate’s Hungarian wife has recently flown to Hungary from the UK. Hungarian authorities physically check daily that she’s quarantining at her parent’s house.
The Spanish are refusing to open their borders to Portugal and France until July.
Switzerland are not opening their border with Italy.
I wonder if a way around this is with health insurance? Health insurance is compulsory where I live, and mine is international ie if I keel over anywhere on my travels I’m covered. At the end of the day, an ICU bed is an ICU bed no matter where it is so health, unlike travel insurance, will cough up.
I’m not suggesting you take out private health insurance but if you have it you might be a way around the issue?
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LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Officially saying it would give people a chance to plan
They should be asking the Gov why they are not funding as well, take away BAs excuse.
BA are giving the unions a chance to talk and they prefer to go via the media - is the common theme I am hearing from a few people at BA (ground staff - so not crews PoV)
I’m not defending BA - but if they did take them to court over this, I’m pretty sure a defence of them losing 130 million a week will hold them well.
Regarding pay - I believe it depends on the aircraft? I’m not so sure....
I know Virgin tend to pay less because of the free flights - which is fine trade off for most
FCO advice will be changing shortly
Birdie Boy
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- Jun 17, 2011
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I know a captain that was with Thomas Cook earning £100k, he said moving to Virgin would mean dropping down the ladder to an officer and earning around £40k. Big difference.
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Moving to Virgin post-Covid? I'd be surprised if Virgin are recruiting.
A friend is a Virgin 747 pilot. He has a very nice life - at home far more often than flying and very good pay in a role that many people respect.
He is likely to find out this week that he is being made redundant, due to Virgin scrapping the 747. He can fly massive jets amazingly well, but is not qualified to do anything else at all. He's started doing landscaping work for people and is thinking about training to be an HGV driver. The pandemic has well and truly changed his life in a bad way.
Worse still, his wife is Virgin cabin crew and may also lose her job this week.
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Meanwhile in America...
American Airlines says it will activate more than 140 planes than have been in storage due to the coronavirus pandemic.
“We’re expecting to move 83 Airbus A320 Family (A319, A320 and A321) aircraft and 58 Boeing 737 aircraft from storage to the active fleet to support July flying,” airline spokesperson Ross Feinstein told CNN.
He cautioned that July is still expected to be “way down” from a year ago. At its peak this July, he expects the airline will operate about 4,000 flights, compared to about 7,000 flights in July 2019, he said.
Still, activating theses planes is a sign that demand for air travel is starting to trickle back.
Recently, TSA announced it had screened 400,000 people nationwide for the first time since March, but that is well below the levels of a year ago.
“We’re expecting to move 83 Airbus A320 Family (A319, A320 and A321) aircraft and 58 Boeing 737 aircraft from storage to the active fleet to support July flying,” airline spokesperson Ross Feinstein told CNN.
He cautioned that July is still expected to be “way down” from a year ago. At its peak this July, he expects the airline will operate about 4,000 flights, compared to about 7,000 flights in July 2019, he said.
Still, activating theses planes is a sign that demand for air travel is starting to trickle back.
Recently, TSA announced it had screened 400,000 people nationwide for the first time since March, but that is well below the levels of a year ago.
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Meanwhile in America 2...
United Airlines said Wednesday it now requires all passengers to self-certify their health prior to boarding a flight.
The airline is the first to require all passengers to complete a health questionnaire to screen for coronavirus as part of checking in.
The questionnaire includes asking passengers to certify they have not experienced coronavirus symptoms in the last 14 days nor tested positive for the virus in the past 21 days.
It also asks passengers to agree to wear a face mask during the flight, which is an airline policy but not a federal requirement.
A United Airlines flight attendant, Susannah Carr, testified before the House Transportation Committee on Tuesday that her colleagues have discussed “the fact that passengers don’t like to wear the mask, might take it off for a longer period than just to eat or drink. It’s definitely an issue that we need to address.”
The airline said customers who “are not able to confirm these requirements” will be “able to reschedule their flight.”
There are no government or industry-wide requirements for this broad type of health screening.
The airlines have asked the Transportation Security Administration to conduct temperature screening of passengers, but so far the agency has not decided to do so.
There's been health screening by government officials at some airports, particularly for incoming international passengers, and Frontier says it takes the temperature of each passenger to check for a fever prior to boarding.
The airline is the first to require all passengers to complete a health questionnaire to screen for coronavirus as part of checking in.
The questionnaire includes asking passengers to certify they have not experienced coronavirus symptoms in the last 14 days nor tested positive for the virus in the past 21 days.
It also asks passengers to agree to wear a face mask during the flight, which is an airline policy but not a federal requirement.
A United Airlines flight attendant, Susannah Carr, testified before the House Transportation Committee on Tuesday that her colleagues have discussed “the fact that passengers don’t like to wear the mask, might take it off for a longer period than just to eat or drink. It’s definitely an issue that we need to address.”
The airline said customers who “are not able to confirm these requirements” will be “able to reschedule their flight.”
There are no government or industry-wide requirements for this broad type of health screening.
The airlines have asked the Transportation Security Administration to conduct temperature screening of passengers, but so far the agency has not decided to do so.
There's been health screening by government officials at some airports, particularly for incoming international passengers, and Frontier says it takes the temperature of each passenger to check for a fever prior to boarding.
Birdie Boy
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Sorry, I should have said, when I was talking to him, it was when Thomas Cook were going bust. I have not seen him since, so no idea if he got redundancy and moved or what.
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Suggestion for some little divider things to help prevent droplet transmission on aircraft.
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/airplane-shield-seat-solution/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/airplane-shield-seat-solution/index.html
I feel like people have been told July is opening up time - it’s all on trump
Weststander
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It will open soon in that case, Trump’s priority in an election year is commerce and profits over lives.
Henry Smith -
Earlier I had a meeting with IAG management about their response to the unprecedented CV19 crisis. I welcome £300m in Government support and some flights returning to Gatwick later this summer. I also pressed the vital importance of fair treatment for British Airways employees.
Are these guys completely clueless?
They are losing 130 million a week.... that’s really not going to help much
Earlier I had a meeting with IAG management about their response to the unprecedented CV19 crisis. I welcome £300m in Government support and some flights returning to Gatwick later this summer. I also pressed the vital importance of fair treatment for British Airways employees.
Are these guys completely clueless?
They are losing 130 million a week.... that’s really not going to help much
WilburySeagull
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You'll have missed the BBC report of a cross party committee of MPs chaired by a conservative saying BAs treatment of its staff is disgraceful and suggesting they lose slots at LHR if the dont change?
They are treating the staff badly, no doubts but the Gov are offering next to no support to the airlines - which gives BA the excuse to do what they are doing.
WilburySeagull
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Next to no support? Surely they can and are using the furlogh scheme like any other company? Perhaps they could use previous years profits to cover the bad times? Or have they given all that to shareholders?