Ashley Barnes isn't nearly good enough for us.

[Mr Burns]

He has come of the bench and won us the game on a few occasions this season.Great finish that.

Agree, it wa a great finish yesterday

 

[Mr Burns]

Wood is a Premiership player on loan. As El Pres said, the goal posts are being moved as Mr Burns started the thread (and title) that Barnes isn't nearly good enough for us (us, a third division team) which is clearly a mistaken opinion.

Monkey see monkey do. Someone mentions the goalposts being moved, so you repeat it. Have an opinion of your own mate......

Its clear that Wood and Murray are the lords first choice, and Barnes is third striker. Gus is still looking for a loan striker, not just because of the call up and injury, he's been trying to bring one in since the turn of the year. What does that say.

As far as the goalposts, we are a team top of the table by at least 10 clear points, could rise to 12 depenind on games in hand. I'd say we've been a class above this division all season, so yes well done, we are in the third division, and that makes us a third division team, but looking beyond your own nose, I think its fair to say we can be judged as a championship side. I'm sure Gus hasn't looked to sign a player all season with division 1 in mind.....

 

[Biscuit]

Why not just say you were wrong? You wouldn't be the only one!

 

[Mr Burns]

I would never slate or criticise a player from the stands, I'm only giving my opinion on the player which I'm entitled to do. Sometimes I'm wrong and ill admit it if Barnes proves me wrong, which he slowly is. My point still stands that he has missed an awful amount of chances, which all good strikers do but not to the extent that he has.

Ps - Am loving this season, I am currently seeing the best style of football I have ever seen from a Brighton side and long may in continue.

Totally agree with that. But the sad thing is, you would think it would be far better to make comments on here than at the game. But some on here think people enjoy slagging off players, and dont really add anything to the conversation other than having a go at other posters.

The sad thing is, wait until next season when we are not beating every team in sight, a few of the same posters on here slagging off anyone who dares to critise a player, will themselves be jumping up and down having a tamtrum because we lose a few in a row and calling for Gus' head.

That's why its sad (as well as funny) that someone bounces this every time he scroes. People on here to love to judge players over the past couple of games, if they can manage that many.

 

[gjh1971]

Barnes has now got 19 goals in about 40 games - very few of our strikers have got near that ratio. Take Barnes' goals away and we would be third.

 

[El Presidente]

Monkey see monkey do. Someone mentions the goalposts being moved, so you repeat it. Have an opinion of your own mate......

Its clear that Wood and Murray are the lords first choice, and Barnes is third striker. Gus is still looking for a loan striker, not just because of the call up and injury, he's been trying to bring one in since the turn of the year. What does that say.

As far as the goalposts, we are a team top of the table by at least 10 clear points, could rise to 12 depenind on games in hand. I'd say we've been a class above this division all season, so yes well done, we are in the third division, and that makes us a third division team, but looking beyond your own nose, I think its fair to say we can be judged as a championship side. I'm sure Gus hasn't looked to sign a player all season with division 1 in mind.....

Isn't part of the reason that we are top of the league down to Barnes though? If you look at Gus's other choices, (Holroyd, Sandaza, Hart) at the start of the seson, do you think they would have contributed as much as Barnes has done?

FWIW I do not think he is a complete player, but then if he was, he would have cost us a lot more than £60k. He is stroppy at times, does not win much in the air, and does not track back the same way that Muzza does (yesterday Sir Glenn was immense in that regard).

As for the comparisons made elsewhere with Bryan Wade, they surely are ridiculous, Wade's flame blew very brightly and VERY briefly, Barnes' is still doing it regularly.

 

[Joey Deacon's Disco Suit]

[snip]but he's not good enough for the side we have

But he clearly is good enough for this side at the level we are playing. The proof is his continued success in it and it's incontrovertible, it really is.

and the direction we are going.

That's a very moot point and it's unfair to single him out for this sort of analysis. Is Murray? You and I might think so but it seems that none of the Championship or Premiership managers regarded him as such in the transfer window just gone.

Is Barnes good enough for the Championship? We'll find out next season probably. If he is, we might just (God Willing) also find out a few years from now whether he's good enough for a higher level too.

You know you were a little too hasty with writing Barnes off. Have a bit of class about you, acknowledge the point and I bet this thread will disappear off the radar pretty pronto.

 

[Mr Burns]

My judgement on him mainly stems from the fact he has generally been the weakest or one of the weakest players on the pitch when I have seen us play.

Which is why Gus is still trying to sign another striker. He is capable of doing good things now and again, but on the whole I'd say he is far and away our weakest player. Certainly out of our 16 or so regulars on the pitch, I could name 15 I'd rather lose Ashley Barnes before. And before that wakes up the parrotts, I dont hate him, I have no agenda against him, I dont know him. Its an opinion, that for the time being I stand by, and although I'd admit he has looked better in the past month or so, for a championship/league one team then no. another league one team maybe, but not us.

 

[Mr Burns]

Isn't part of the reason that we are top of the league down to Barnes though? If you look at Gus's other choices, (Holroyd, Sandaza, Hart) at the start of the seson, do you think they would have contributed as much as Barnes has done?

FWIW I do not think he is a complete player, but then if he was, he would have cost us a lot more than £60k. He is stroppy at times, does not win much in the air, and does not track back the same way that Muzza does (yesterday Sir Glenn was immense in that regard).

Given a run, the same as Barnes had, I feel confident Sandaza would have bettered his goal tally, and Barnes would be the 4th striker. Haven't seen enough (or anything for that matter) of Holyrod, but now we'll never know, but who knows if he had got an early goal for the club what might have been.

 

[El Presidente]

Given a run, the same as Barnes had, I feel confident Sandaza would have bettered his goal tally

Just to clarify, are you saying that Sandaza would have bettered Barnes' goal tally?

 

[El Presidente]

another league one team maybe, but not us.

But in your original post you said his level was Conference

 

[Mr Burns]

But he clearly is good enough for this side at the level we are playing. The proof is his continued success in it and it's incontrovertible, it really is.

That's a very moot point and it's unfair to single him out for this sort of analysis. Is Murray? You and I might think so but it seems that none of the Championship or Premiership managers regarded him as such in the transfer window just gone.

Is Barnes good enough for the Championship? We'll find out next season probably. If he is, we might just (God Willing) also find out a few years from now whether he's good enough for a higher level too.

You know you were a little too hasty with writing Barnes off. Have a bit of class about you, acknowledge the point and I bet this thread will disappear off the radar pretty pronto.

I've said he may be good enough for this level, and I would admit in a few games I've seen in the past few weeks, he has looked a little better, but is he good enough for OUR side, then probably not. I still see him as the weakest link in the side. I'm delighted he got one goal for one shot on target yesterday.

With regards Murray, I think he will make a class championship player, but I think he needs someone else with him to show his true worth. I dont think that will be Wood, and I'm almost certain it won't be Barnes. With regards the transfer window, who says there wasn't interest in him.... I can assure you there was. If on one from a higher legue was sniffing around him, don't you think he'd have signed a contract by now.There is a lot of interest in him, and if the impossible happens and we don't go up next season, Murray will still be a championship player, but when we go up and the club are certain of the league status, the bank will be broke in an attempt to keep him, but I dont think the club are ready to pay him a top champship contract without being 100% certain that we will be a championship club.

 

[Mr Burns]

But in your original post you said his level was Conference

I am not allowed to change my opinion slighty? I said all along I would loved to be proved wrong, but I still dont think I am. I would say league one or league two now, but still not good enough for us, now or back in January when I first started it.

 

[Mr Burns]

Just to clarify, are you saying that Sandaza would have bettered Barnes' goal tally?

If Sandaza had the same game time as Barnes, then yes I think he'd have bettered his tally. Impossible to tell, and even though Sandaza as an amazing goals to minutes ratio, that wouldn't proves he would score more if he started more, but I think given a run he'd be on more goals than Ashley.

Another way of looking at it, I would rate Jake Robinson a better striker than Ashley Barnes. Both are capable of producing magic on their day, but that day is few and fair between, which is why Robinson is a fourth tier player(although I think he's a tiny bit better than that) and why I think that will be Barnes' level as well.

Obviosuly I want us to storm the championship next season ( and for what its worth I think we'll be pushing the play offs) but if we do hit a sticky patch, it'll be interesting to see peoples attitude towards Barnes then.

 

[Mr Burns]

Barnes has now got 19 goals in about 40 games - very few of our strikers have got near that ratio. Take Barnes' goals away and we would be third.

Pointless post, as if you take Barnes goals away, I could argue along the same lines and say another striker who played in his place could have scored more and we'd be promoted already!?

As Liam Brady once said, if me gran had balls she'd be me grandad.

 

[samtheseagull]

Given a run, the same as Barnes had, I feel confident Sandaza would have bettered his goal tally, and Barnes would be the 4th striker. Haven't seen enough (or anything for that matter) of Holyrod, but now we'll never know, but who knows if he had got an early goal for the club what might have been.

If this was the case i think Gus has seen enough of Sandaza in training and games to of given him a run out? You have only seen Sandaza in a few games. I did see Sandaza start against Brentford (i think) and his hold up play and movement was no where near as good as Barnes(dont think Sandaza is crap tho) If you really still think Barnes is not that good i would suggest you find another sport to follow as you clearly no nothing about football.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Obviosuly I want us to storm the championship next season ( and for what its worth I think we'll be pushing the play offs) but if we do hit a sticky patch, it'll be interesting to see peoples attitude towards Barnes then.

What do you think that will show ?

 

[Mr Burns]

If this was the case i think Gus has seen enough of Sandaza in training and games to of given him a run out? You have only seen Sandaza in a few games. I did see Sandaza start against Brentford (i think) and his hold up play and movement was no where near as good as Barnes(dont think Sandaza is crap tho) If you really still think Barnes is not that good i would suggest you find another sport to follow as you clearly no nothing about football.

Isn't past your bedtime?

 

[Mr Burns]

What do you think that will show ?

It'll show that when things are going well, people won't hear a bad word about anyone no matter what the case is, but when things go bad people will have a go at anything that moves in a strippy shirt. My point is, I judge things has I see them, not because of how the teams doing, but how the individual is.

 

[El Presidente]

Pointless post, as if you take Barnes goals away, I could argue along the same lines and say another striker who played in his place could have scored more and we'd be promoted already!?

You could indeed, but instead you said that Barnes was cowardly, was not good enough for us (and we can only presume that you are referring to this season as we are a league one team who have finished in the bottom half of the league for most of the last few years, as we have no idea who will be playing for us next season).

I think you are missing the point about the antagonism towards your original post. No one is claiming that Barnes is our best striker, I think he contributes more in certain regards than Wood, and less in others as our 'second' striker. I also was gutted that Murray was on the bench at Bournemouth (which is what I think provoked your original post) and I agree with you 100% that we look less potent without the quietly spoken enigmatic Cumbrian. What got on people's backs was the personal nature of your criticism of Barnes as a man, not as a footballer.

I have never met him, he could be a complete bellend or a throughly nice bloke, and whilst you repeat that it is nothing personal, to call someone cowardly, out of his depth, lightweight, whining, tart, shit scared suggests you do have a personal issue with him, and it is this, rather than your technical criticisms of him, (many of which I think have some validity) which stick in the neck.