It hasn't. It has improved Watkins or Saka probably.
If a defender was out, it'd improve Whites chances
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[Football] Arsenal’s Ben White
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It hasn't. It has improved Watkins or Saka probably.
If a defender was out, it'd improve Whites chances
Yes I get that.
Pavilionaire
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We've had 3 years to prepare for this tournament so introducing brand new uncapped players into the squad is not ideal, especially when they've only had one year of Prem experience.
White is a quality player but everyone in contention should already have had 2 or 3 matches at least for the England side.
The problem is Southgate has persisted with shit players for too long. Pickford, Mings, Keane and Stones are all prone to dropping a clanger - to have two or more playing in the same side is asking for trouble. And Raheem Sterling has been out of form for a long while now.
White is a quality player but everyone in contention should already have had 2 or 3 matches at least for the England side.
The problem is Southgate has persisted with shit players for too long. Pickford, Mings, Keane and Stones are all prone to dropping a clanger - to have two or more playing in the same side is asking for trouble. And Raheem Sterling has been out of form for a long while now.
The advantages in picking White are that he covers two or more positions, he gets tournament experience prior to the World Cup and that as a ‘footballer’ with the ball at his feet progressing attacks, only Stones can compete with his level amongst centre backs.
If Southgate has had a proper study of White, I think he’ll go.
That said, Southgate has favourites and he’ll probably be selecting an injured Maguire and a hopelessly out of form Mings.
If you need a player who can cover multiple positions while in a 26 man squad, you've got some serious problems.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
I know they've increased the number of players allowed on the bench but I am sure it's not 15. In that case, White would be a very useful bench player.
England’s Ben White
Serious problems:
1. Rice & Henderson together have played just 3 games in the last two months.
2. Bellingham lacks experience, he’d qualify for the U17s FFS.
3. Maguire is going but is injured and might not play.
4. Stones is always only a kick away from a catastrophic mistake that normally means England lose in the semi-finals of competitive competitions.
5. Tyrone Mings.
Serious problems:
1. Rice & Henderson together have played just 3 games in the last two months.
2. Bellingham lacks experience, he’d qualify for the U17s FFS.
3. Maguire is going but is injured and might not play.
4. Stones is always only a kick away from a catastrophic mistake that normally means England lose in the semi-finals of competitive competitions.
5. Tyrone Mings.
Exactly.
Taking defenders who can't defend isn't remedied by taking another who can but wasn't particularly good in midfield.
these 2 are catastrophically bad
Having said that, pretty much nailed on, and will ensure England deliver the predictably poor progression we've come to accept.
England always do it, I never understand why, then it always fails.
The manager picks big club defenders who have spent much of the season not defending and then is surprised when they fail under constant forward pressure.
Pick the players who have defended all season, throw themselves in front of shots all season, blocked corners all season, not the ones who do that two or three times a month.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Southgate has stated he will only play players from the 'big' clubs who have that kind of experience.
Southgate has stated a lot of things, come back to me when England don't choke at the first available opportunity and I might just elevate him above all the other choking dogs.
Naming and taking injured players is a theme. should be a sackable offence.
He's also on record stating that "People will be picked on merit, on current form" and that he won't pick players who are not playing.
Which if Southgate's words were worth anything at all*, SHOULD rule out Maguire (injured), Henderson (injured), Mings (form) amongst others.
*Spoiler - they're not.
the prick called up Harry Maguire when he was literally IN JAIL. There's no chance he's leaving him out for the minor detail that he isn't fit to actually play.
Garry Nelson's Left Foot
Well-known member
To be fair, there's no point even going to an international tournament if there isn't a massive front page x-ray of an England players' foot to kick things off.
Southgate picks who he trusts (hence Dier's relentless inclusion despite being out of form for 2 years). Henderson is a massive dressing room influence, so I get him and I think Maguire is too. The problem is, they may only be dressing room influences on account of their injury.
Your best example of England NOT 'choking' is a game that they were absolutely in control of, failed to push for a second goal, and coughed up an equaliser in the 93rd minute??
We have such a history for doing this and it never turns out well ... but we still carry on doing it. I've literally no idea why: it's a terrible idea
If he takes even ONE player known to be unfit to play, just because they are a good 'influence' in the dressing room, then he's an even bigger cock than I already have him marked down as.
There's nothing to stop him taking an injured player along as part of the support staff, if that were the case. Why waste squad places. Ridiculous.