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Argus Letters re Parking in Coldean
- Thread starter The Oldman
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That's one way of looking at it. Equally you could say it will encourage folk to use public transport. I can see where you're coming from but on balance I'd say an all-inclusive ticket is preferable and will have greater impact. Selling seperate vouchers for each and every mode of transport isn't a workable option and currently penalises thousands of public transport users who purchased them as its impossible to collect them on the trains. It's not perfect but all-inclusive deal is the most workable option and will provide the best outcome on balance.
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Uncle Spielberg
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To be fair I did see a Bus that could not take its normal route around Coldean as there were cars blocking the route.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Throughout the Public Inquiry into the stadium, the Club made it clear that they were intending to use the Racecourse as a stadium P&R site. It was, however, only this year that they got round to putting in a planning application to allow this to happen.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
This.
DanielT
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Working class pride
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- Feb 14, 2010
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I challenge someone to explain what is more "sustainable" about driving to a car park and then being herded on a bus and DRIVEN to the ground over driving to Coldean and WALKING to the ground.
As for public transport, then the car is the transport for most of the public, and one day a car will run on green fuels no doubt. The last thing the Albion need is to be at the mercy of train drivers. You can ask those of us that live in London where that leads.
The few games I have been to I have parked in Coldean. No problems, locals didnt mind at all, but hey the council do like creating an issue so that they can raise money so they can continue paying into their own over generous pension schemes.
As for public transport, then the car is the transport for most of the public, and one day a car will run on green fuels no doubt. The last thing the Albion need is to be at the mercy of train drivers. You can ask those of us that live in London where that leads.
The few games I have been to I have parked in Coldean. No problems, locals didnt mind at all, but hey the council do like creating an issue so that they can raise money so they can continue paying into their own over generous pension schemes.
Pinkie Brown
Wir Sind das Volk
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Jeane Lepper (who is an opposition City Councillor for the area) is supporting the Club on this issue.
Bob!
Coffee Buyer
- Jul 5, 2003
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What is the clubs position, and what is the issue?
Mr Burns
New member
Michael Inkpin-Leissner
x Ridge View
Brighton xxx xxx
UK
Tel.: 01273 xxxxxx
Mob.: 07799 xxxxxx
Email: michaellei*****@xxxl.com
will become a very unpopular person indeed if his whining brings parking rescritctions to his neighbours in Coldean. Because whatever else you choose to believe, the lower end of Coldean has major parking issues EVERY day, not just football days. The only way to stop it, is the stop parking outside the shops, put a set of double yellows down one side of Park Road, and towe or ticket every car that double parks in Rushlake Road....... not on football days, but every day of the week.
Yes, I can see Michael Inkpin-Leissner of Ridge View, becoming very very popular with the other residents if he gets his wish.
Some people really just need to think before they try and shit stir about something they don't really understand.... WHAT A PLANK
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Mr Burns
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There is no issue. We are not speaking about a little village that doesn't see a car for weeks suddenly become taken over by parking. The bottom end of Coldean has had major parking issues for the past 20 years. The football stadium, whilst hasn't helped, hasn't made much of a difference. Anyone who think it has, may I suggest before responding, that a drive around there around 7pm, up Park Road, Rushlake Road, Ridge View, and you will see what I mean.
mona
The Glory Game
The interesting issue is why are there so many vociferously unhappy people living in Brighton and Hove? Perhaps the Argus could investigate this as well as publishing such a vast number of whinging letters.
And yes....there is far more whinging in the Argus than in the dozens of other local papers I have read.
And yes....there is far more whinging in the Argus than in the dozens of other local papers I have read.
Weststander
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I live close to Withdean Stadium, and once fans realised the parking instructions weren't enforceable, many roads in Westdene/Withdean/South-East Patcham, were full of parked fans cars on match days. [The Club said it was largely adhered to, but that was bollocks].
Anyway, I never saw a blocked driveway, and most people round our way had few complaints. I was fine with it too.
To compare to 1999, is this Coldean furore being hyped into something worse than the true negative effects?
Anyway, I never saw a blocked driveway, and most people round our way had few complaints. I was fine with it too.
To compare to 1999, is this Coldean furore being hyped into something worse than the true negative effects?
Weststander
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The (dying) Argus,& Green Party stirring it, matched by some whinging nimbies.
Several people here, including Lord B and TLO have stated that they have had conversations with Green councillors during which the councillors have said that the club should be doing more to encourage sustainable transport. We have a proposal for 8,000 new seats going to a planning committee - there isn't a hope in hell of that getting passed if the club accompanies it with a suggestion that users of sustainable transport will be penalised (and you won't get much support from Labour councillors either with the notion that residents in Labour-held Moulsecoomb should be charged for walking to the ground).
But even without the political ramifications, I don't see the point of such a catch-all scheme. There aren't the parking places at the moment, nor enough capacity on the trains. As I said above, the club is offering incentives to people coming by bike as they want more cyclists (they want more pedestrians too, but it's harder to reward these). Why, having implemented such a scheme, would they want to discourage people arriving by bike.
And I don't understand how people who buy vouchers for the train and use them are being penalised - that doesn't make any sense at all to me.
I go to matches with a couple of guys from Coldean who say that they're not aware of widespread complaints about the parking. As usual, a few vociferous individuals are trying to kick up a fuss - one of the reasons nothing ever seems to get done in our city (unless you've got someone like Tony Bloom to make sure that it actually happens).
I'm all for cars being towed and ticketed if they're parked dangerously or across drives. Otherwise, we all pay our road tax so what's the problem?
I'm all for cars being towed and ticketed if they're parked dangerously or across drives. Otherwise, we all pay our road tax so what's the problem?
Weststander
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And behind the scenes, the Knight-Perry-Chapman Albion Board fought against other nimbies in the City, but had to keep quiet at the time, e.g.
David Panter (then Chief Exec of the Council i.e. a servant of ours), a key local politician, and the Vice Chancellor of Brighton Uni.
The Coldean nimbies follow in a long line of obstructive complainers.
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The catch-all approach only really penalises (as you put it) walkers. Bus and train users will obviously have transport provided, PnR have their facilities whilst cyclists have land, racks, incentives and security laid on. A £1 a game surely isnt too much to ask is it?
I fully appreciate walkers will be hit but you cannot please everyone all of the time and all things considered the catch-all approach will encourage everyone bar walkers to use public transport. If you do you benefit.
You mention there not being the parking or the train capacity. I really do think it depends on your views and expectation. The club's goal was/is to get everyone away within the hour. They're achieving this. On this basis there is adequat parking and train capacity etc. It can be improved for sure, but the target was 60 mins.
As for your last comment the vouchers are unworkable and the train companies are not checking or collecting them due to the enormous volumes of people. On match days the gates are left open and you simply walk onto your train without presenting a ticket ie there was/is no need to have a voucher so if you bought a book you're losing out.
I really do think the catch-all is the preferable, realistic and pragmatic way forward which will benefit the most, and impact the least. The has to be realism.
The catch-all approach only really penalises (as you put it) walkers. Bus and train users will obviously have transport provided, PnR have their facilities whilst cyclists have land, racks, incentives and security laid on. A £1 a game surely isnt too much to ask is it?
I fully appreciate walkers will be hit but you cannot please everyone all of the time and all things considered the catch-all approach will encourage everyone bar walkers to use public transport. If you do you benefit.
You mention there not being the parking or the train capacity. I really do think it depends on your views and expectation. The club's goal was/is to get everyone away within the hour. They're achieving this. On this basis there is adequat parking and train capacity etc. It can be improved for sure, but the target was 60 mins.
As for your last comment the vouchers are unworkable and the train companies are not checking or collecting them due to the enormous volumes of people. On match days the gates are left open and you simply walk onto your train without presenting a ticket ie there was/is no need to have a voucher so if you bought a book you're losing out.
I really do think the catch-all is the preferable, realistic and pragmatic way forward which will benefit the most, and impact the least. The has to be realism.
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