Are you watching Question Time tonight ?.

[Simster]

Can't be arsed to wade through the thread but all I'll say is that last night was a f***ing disaster IMO.

Jack Straw and the Lib Dem bloke were both absolute gash, full of bluster and feeble sound bites. Indeed all three of them spent far too much time ganging up on Griffin instead of giving honest solutions on how to deal with the issues that clearly a large portion of the electorate feel strongly about. I mean, take this issue they dribbled on about what defines "indigenous". Really, who gives a f***? The point Griffin makes is that he thinks the majority of white Brits feel marginalised. And really, that is all the viewers give a shit about. You can waste time arguing over the definition rather dismantling his point of view, but that's not going to convince any BNP waverers that Griffin is wrong is it?

And Jack Straw in particular went down *hugely* in my estimations. He had absolutely no answer to why immigration was out of control OR how he was going to deal with the problem. Pathetic.

 

[Dr Q]

I got bored after 15 mins, it was clearly just gonna continue in the same vein. I have no time for the BNP and Griffin is slime, but the audience was clearly chosen to give him a hard time and the panel just went into feeding frenzy, supported by Dimbleby. I didn't need Question Time or a bunch of Guardian readers to help me make up my mind on the BNP so went to bed.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Having not watched it, obviously, my big worry was that the whole program would be about immigration and the BNP wouldn't be tested on anything else. Is that what happened?

They did concentrate too much on immigration if you ask me. I wish they have challenged him more on the economy, the welfare state and the NHS as this is where the BNP really have no idea and would have been made to look ridiculous. As it was it turned into a bit of a BINFEST about what Griffin sees as being an indigenous Brit and whether or not his friends in the KKK are violent.

Everyone knows Griffin is a racist bigot, that feeling has just been reinforced by Question Time. They didn't spend enough time picking apart BNP policies.

 

[User removed 4]

The audience was picked ages ago, before they knew he was on.

No it wasnt, as soon as it was announced griffin was on, the bbc stated that the criteria for selecting the audience will remain the same.

 

[byf]

If you don't vote then you have no right to an opinion on politics. You could at least spoil your ballot paper.

Have a day off mate, of course I have a right!

My right lies in the fact.....I live in this country...I pay taxes, council tax, tv licence...I input into what this country has become just as much as the next guy.....so just because I have chosen not to tick a piece of paper on a certain date at a certain location...does not rule me out from having an opinion.

I dont live by that little rule......

 

[CHAPPERS]

My right lies in the fact.....I live in this country...I pay taxes, council tax, tv licence...I input into what this country has become just as much as the next guy.....so just because I have chosen not to tick a piece of paper on a certain date at a certain location...does not rule me out from having an opinion.

I dont live by that little rule......

Oh well, we'll just disagree. In my view you can't moan about something and then, when given your chance to do something about it, don't do owt.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I dont live by that little rule......

little rule ?

Many people have given their lives over the world for that little rule.

 

[k2bluesky]

As has been said this programme showed the BBC up for the bias arse kissing station it is, the next government will hopefully clip their wings and make them live in the real financial world without a 'tax' to pay for them.
Re: Griffin he made a couple of very good points which a lot of people support (even the black man in the audience) uncontrolled immigration has led to the rise of the BNP, loved watching Jack Straw squirm 'answering' that one and secondly the hand over of power to Brussels, which Labour are so desperate to complete before the election (anything to do with huge salaries and uncontrolled expenses available for ex UK politicians I wonder, Blair and Brown certainly have their eyes on it)

 

[keaton]

No it wasnt, as soon as it was announced griffin was on, the bbc stated that the criteria for selecting the audience will remain the same.

Eh?

And it was decided ages ago anyway

 

[byf]

Oh well, we'll just disagree. In my view you can't moan about something and then, when given your chance to do something about it, don't do owt.

But whats the answerwhen its all a mess.

Labour have monumentally fcuked up.....so you keep voting for a load of lying, word spinners!

Run to tories because of the above reason..as your so pissed off with labour....as they will save the day.......yeah right!

 

[tedebear]

But whats the answerwhen its all a mess.

Labour have monumentally fcuked up.....so you keep voting for a load of lying, word spinners!

Run to tories because of the above reason..as your so pissed off with labour....as they will save the day.......yeah right!

You have other choices?

 

[The Spanish]

No it wasnt, as soon as it was announced griffin was on, the bbc stated that the criteria for selecting the audience will remain the same.

yes the mix of oddballs, bedsit loners, mad old people, shouty overexcited swotty students, a few suicide bomber supporters and well meaning Africans who wear suits even when they are unemployed, was fairly consistent I thought.

 

[coventrygull]

That's because they are so far from achieving any real power that there is no point in being honest about their fundamentally anti-democratic position.

If they ever get a foot in the door of the real world of power politics, they would change very quickly. Their biggest enemy is democracy itself - I would confidently expect the party leadership to follow the classic fascist argument. Mussolini invoked nationalism as a justification for destroying democracy - the rightful "destiny of the Italian people" was being held back by the "fallacy of democracy". The BNP would take the same line.

But I would argue that the Lab/con/lib is a dictatorship. There is not much difference between them. They support the global Capitalist system. The media are there to do the same. Listen to Muse song "uprising" Its basic but I understand the message.

 

[User removed 4]

Eh?

And it was decided ages ago anyway

Whats with the "eh"??I cant see where you're confused, the BBC put out a statement, as soon as it was announced that griffin would be on that "they will not be changing the selection criteria for the audience in any way ".

 

[Titanic]

Hopefully the continued recession will knock this off the headlines now and we can go back to ignoring the threat of the BNP.

 

[keaton]

Whats with the "eh"??I cant see where you're confused, the BBC put out a statement, as soon as it was announced that griffin would be on that "they will not be changing the selection criteria for the audience in any way ".

Ok.

How does that show that they specifically chose the audience for that show and that it wasn't picked ages ago?

 

[seagull_special]

The programme was a shambolic binfest and the only person who came out of it with a degree of credibility was the Tory baroness. Dimbleby was embarrasing, Straw made Geoffrey Howe look assertive, the Liberal was piss poor and Bonnie Greer was very strange. The audience were not there for a debate just a public lynching. The one good thing to come out of it was that Nick Griffin was exposed as a gurning idiot who couldn't win an argument with a three year old and if he is the cream of the BNP then that party is in trouble. The BNP have made in roads because they touch a nerve with the poor disenfranchised in the North and could over the next 5 years become a political force instead of a political influence through moderating their message and stronger leadership. This was not a political debate just an opportunity for politicians to demonstrate how PC they are. The BBC were right to invite him on but the balance was completely wrong.

 

[El Presidente]

To be fair, it takes something special to get ALL the national newspapers in agreement. Even the Daily Express and Mail were totally hostile to Griffin's performance last night.

The BNP acts as a safety valve to an extent. The mainstream parties have been too busy sticking their snouts in the trough, not listening to voter's concerns, and the BNP, despite their disastrous economic, education and trade policies have been the beneficiaries.

If you look at the rise of the NF in the 70's the economic conditions were similar, and they also exploited people's fears.

The BNP councillors in the North West have proved to be spectacularly thick and completely out of their depth in holding public office. Attended zero council meetings in his time as a councillor in Stoke, and the only time he spoke it was to ask what 'abstain' means.

 

[coventrygull]

Now I can see why our board Nazi might support that bloke - but Coventry - you always come over as a fairly intelligent bloke - why do you put so much time and effort into standing up for Griffin ?

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National Liberal Party

Ok above are three sites that probably express some of my views better than I can. I was a member of the NLP but they are very tiny roughly about 25 members. I have been a member of a couple of other radical organisations again all tiny. Now does someone persist holding meetings in a telephone box or do they look for an organisation where they believe their ideas but find some acceptance. Remember Griffin was a member of the ITP. May be he may still hold onto some of those views ( Yes I know that the ITP went down the road of Clerical Fascism as Troy would put it but Griffin was long gone by then).

Now up here. We have the Socialist party. I have a lot of respect for Dave Nellist. Comes across as a sincere genuine bloke. I have attended meetings and have voted for them but they are so entrenched in their marxist Ideology. That to suggest an alternative radical viewpoint would probably earn you a slap and they are quite capable of slapping their own lefty mates for heresy.

As for Griffin as a person. I left the BNP a long time ago. Even though I voted for him to become leader. I was digusted at his treatment of the Edward's and still find it hard to forgive. I would of loved to have seen Sharron Edwards on question time rather than Nick. If only.

Having said that I think Nick has done a remarkable job of transforming the BNP. I think we are in for some interesting times. At leats politics has become exciting again.

 

[attila]

I don't come on here much, and when I do it's nearly always to talk about the Albion - I spend much of the rest of my life doing politics! But I do want to make one point, and predictably enough, it was not made by the pathetic bunch on last night's panel.

New Labour is to blame for Griffin's success. If they hadn't totally abandoned the poor and disposessed in favour of subsidising City bankers and sucking up to Daily Mail readers then fascists wouldn't be able to use pseudo leftist rhetoric to con people on forgotten estates desperate for someone to take an interest in them and their problems.

The guy is a dyed in the wool fascist with a pedigree going back generations, and not a particularly clever one either. But his Strasserite quasi socialist rhetoric will strike a chord with the forgotten and the ignored as long as we have a political system comprised of three identikit Tweedledum/Tweedledee parties who only care about 'focus groups' and don't give a shit about ordinary people. The Left in this country is in a pathetic mess at the moment, there is a yawning gap in the political compass and Griffin is exploiting it. We have to get our shit together, and soon.

But please don't be fooled that Griffin - or his supporters - have changed. As someone who has been on the receiving end of fascist violence in the past (not moaning, I spoke and speak out) I can assure you the suits are purely a tactical measure!

And Jack Straw really is worse than C****** P*****.