[Politics] Are you indifferent…

[Peteinblack]

No, we live in a world where some people think their opinions are facts and those of others mere opinion.

...and in which those who do express concern about poverty, social justice and violation of human rights are sneered at for 'virtue-signalling', accused of being 'Woke' or branded as 'liberal do-gooders'.

 

[The red pepper kid]

Not indifferent at all, just cant work out what i could do that would make a difference .
Children dying of starvation
us destroying the planet
child abuse
modern slavery
sexual exploitation of minors
abuse of animals
Humans are a horrible race , most of its crimes carried out for personal gain or enjoyment.
What good is money other than to be selfish .
I believe if this planet lasts another 100 years it will be a miracle .
And history might look back and wonder how we stomach watching all this while having TV in every room , foreign holidays , we all have cars in my family.
And although i give monthly to 4 charities - i know it isnt enough..................

 

[Peteinblack]

Most people don't care about civil liberties or human rights ... until they realise that their's have been taken away - by which time it is too late.

Until then, those whose rights and liberties are steadily being curtailed are portrayed, by politicians and a complicit media, as Left-wing/feminist/eco-warrior/rent-a-mob rabble and trouble-makers, the sortof unwashed lay-about scum who need to be stopped or locked-up to protect the rest of society.

Moreover, for all the claims that Britian is a tolerant, freedom-loving, live-and-live, society, recent years have revealed - for those who look beneath the surface - a seething groundswell of authoritarianism among the masses. One only has to look at on-line comments 'in' the Daily Mail and Daily Express in response to any news report about poverty, welfare claimants, asylum seekers drowning in the English Channel, Black Lives Matter (a bunch of Marxist thugs, apparently), Extinction Rebellion, rape-victims (shouldn't have been drunk/wearing revealing clothes - "she was asking for it"), etc.

These same people almost certainly support the Government's legislation to criminalise even peaceful protests, plans to abolish the Human Rights Act, and require ID cards to vote. Many people accept this increasing State control because they think it only affects other people - the 'sort of people' who deserve it, and who are 'different' to the supposedly normal, decent, silent majority:

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

 

[sydney]

Weren't they the ones breaking Covid lockdown though ? You know, the ones that think that Q-Anon had a monopoly on truth.

like i said , protesters in general.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

Most people believe in a sense of justice and decency. When you read the statistics about the number of Nazis who perpetrated war crimes (estimated at least 200,000) the number who were brought to trial between 1945 and 2005 (roughly 140,000) and the number who were actually convicted (6,656 - that's barely 5%) it really is quite shocking.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/14/europe/germany-nazi-war-trials-grm-intl/index.html

They basically escaped justice and got away with it as the article says. Also as early as December 1942, the US, UK and Soviet governments were aware that at least two million Jews had been murdered and a further five million were at risk of being killed. Despite this, the Allied Powers did very little to try and rescue or provide sanctuary to those in mortal danger.

Although it doesn't excuse it you really can see why people are indifferent to similar events today because they look back at events like the Holocaust and see that so many people were indifferent to what happened at the time why should they be any different now.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Not indifferent, but just a feeling of powerlessness felt by others on here, too.

I was impressed by the Club’s Facebook output today about Holocaust Memorial Day. I wonder if any other club has done that?

I was struck,though, by the irony of the Afghanistan situation after the BBC reports this morning and yesterday evening from the BBC reporter who had gone back out there, showing the hardship and the poverty - malnourished children in hospital etc, people not able to afford cooking oil and bread.
It’s our sanctions that are causing this, while at the same time the DEC (disasters emergency committee) has a major appeal out to alleviate the position. Our governments are causing the problems, while our charities are trying to put things right.

 

[beorhthelm]

Not indifferent, but just a feeling of powerlessness felt by others on here, too.

I was impressed by the Club’s Facebook output today about Holocaust Memorial Day. I wonder if any other club has done that?

I was struck,though, by the irony of the Afghanistan situation after the BBC reports this morning and yesterday evening from the BBC reporter who had gone back out there, showing the hardship and the poverty - malnourished children in hospital etc, people not able to afford cooking oil and bread.
It’s our sanctions that are causing this, while at the same time the DEC (disasters emergency committee) has a major appeal out to alleviate the position. Our governments are causing the problems, while our charities are trying to put things right.

you're right about that, the sanctions stop the Taliban accessing funds, buying food etc. so are we asking the government to lift sanctions, legitimise and recognise Taliban as government? then deal with however they chose to govern and their approach to rights afterwards. rock and a hard place.

 

[rippleman]

I have trouble reconciling the massacre of 6 million Jews by the nazis with the current position in Afghanistan.

The Afghans had a substantial army trained by the West and with pretty much up to date arms, vehicles and equipment. They had the opportunity to fight and almost certainly defeat the Taliban who had significantly less trained soldiers and certainly not the hardware capabilities of the Afghan army. And yet the Afghan army surrendered without putting up any meaningful fight at all. Why?

 

[The Rattler]

I used to be indifferent but now I can’t be arsed


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[DavidinSouthampton]

you're right about that, the sanctions stop the Taliban accessing funds, buying food etc. so are we asking the government to lift sanctions, legitimise and recognise Taliban as government? then deal with however they chose to govern and their approach to rights afterwards. rock and a hard place.

A rock and a hard place indeed. In terms of diplomacy and so on, I would just be interested to know if we are in contact with the current regime and, if so, to what extent.

 

[kjgood]

Am I indifferent? Well I dont really know (In the voice of Mavis from Corrie)

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

...and in which those who do express concern about poverty, social justice and violation of human rights are sneered at for 'virtue-signalling', accused of being 'Woke' or branded as 'liberal do-gooders'.

Not by everybody though. I hate all of those patronizing labels.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Is that a fact or an opinion ?

a fact.. Obvs

 

[BBassic]

There's only so much we can do individually, isn't there? But it's important to make whatever stands you can.

I do my best not to buy from Amazon.
I give to a few charities.
I won't be watching / reading about / listening to anything World Cup wise.
I write to my MP and vote when called upon.

It's a shame to feel so powerless but that's the world we live in.

What's shocking to think is if I feel powerless as a white, middle class male, in gainful employment, living in a house, with savings in the bank...how much worse is it for others less fortunate?

 

[Badger Boy]

I have trouble reconciling the massacre of 6 million Jews by the nazis with the current position in Afghanistan.

The Afghans had a substantial army trained by the West and with pretty much up to date arms, vehicles and equipment. They had the opportunity to fight and almost certainly defeat the Taliban who had significantly less trained soldiers and certainly not the hardware capabilities of the Afghan army. And yet the Afghan army surrendered without putting up any meaningful fight at all. Why?

Why? Because your understanding of the infrastructure of the Afghan army isn't sufficient to understand why removing US Forces, which effectively enabled the Afghan army to operate, caused them to fold like a house of cards because there was no communication or organisation.

Arguably, they also lacked the will. But mostly it was that the infrastructure wasn't right and they weren't in a position to operate independently from the US forces.

 

[sydney]

Not indifferent at all, just cant work out what i could do that would make a difference .
Children dying of starvation
us destroying the planet
child abuse
modern slavery
sexual exploitation of minors
abuse of animals
Humans are a horrible race , most of its crimes carried out for personal gain or enjoyment.
What good is money other than to be selfish .
I believe if this planet lasts another 100 years it will be a miracle .
And history might look back and wonder how we stomach watching all this while having TV in every room , foreign holidays , we all have cars in my family.
And although i give monthly to 4 charities - i know it isnt enough..................

a lot of charities are a ruse , all the money goes on admin. someone i know works for the red cross , he drives a tesla and wears a rolex ....i don't like him he's a smug **** and he's been told.