I see some of the Tories who are manufacturers are starting to show some concern that they're being ignored by Cameron's decision and his total and utter obsession with the financial sector.
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Are we still a European force?
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It's all so predictable though isn't it. CMD and his monkey at #11 behaving as if everything is fine as long as their Etonian chums in the city are looked after.
I blame Clegg. f***ing useless. He got into bed with this lot, and now just goes along with anything they say and do. CMD uses a veto, Clegg is nowhere to be seen and then you hear he is "furious" with the way CMD has acted. Fat lot of good "being furious" is 2 days after the damage has been done. I hope he sinks without trace at the next election. Shittest political leader I've ever known, including Iain Duncan Smith and Michael Foot.
Everything Cameron has done would not have been possible without the Lib Dems. That put them in a reasonable bargaining position. Apart from the AV vote (even this was watered down from full PR) can someone remind me what else Clegg has got for the Lib Dems?
Don't start me on AV. Clegg has put the voting reform agenda back 20 years thanks to accepting a refererendum on a watered down crap system that nobody wanted - for a whiff of power. Since then, he's just gone along like a patsy with pretty much everything the Tories have wanted, and after every instance a newspaper will report "Clegg is reportedly furious at CMD for [insert typical Tory action]".
Anyway, does anyone actually know what is going to happen with regards to this FTT? Are we going to be forced to accept this tax if we remain in the EU?
As far as I can tell, a pact of 26 (it now appears) will be formed within the EU. Signaturies will abide by the initial rules and whatever this new pact decides on in the future. So, we can remain in the 'EU' and not have to accept the FFT. I imagine the real meaty business will be discussed and voted on by the pact. What the full 27 get to discuss and vote on will probably be the noddy stuff as opposed to shaping Europe. So, we'll be able to influence how straight bananas should be, but little else.
Curious Orange
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Well, the short answer is no, because we aren't going to be part of the accord. As to how many countries sign up to the accord, or what that accord sets out, or whether it makes any difference to the current problems of the Euro, or indeed whether it'll affect its future... nobody knows the answers to these questions, and everyone who has spouted an opinion on this thread is just guessing, whether it is an informed guess or not.
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Slightly OT, but this bloke was on newsnight the other night talking about similar issues in Japan and their stagnent economy on the 90s, thought it was interesting.
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Simster you're better than just regurgitating class war crap, you know full well that this isnt the case anymore.
Maybe Sim should have typed financial chums. Or do you have another explaination for his total and utter fixation on the financial sector at the expence of the rest of the economy then? It defies most logic so I can only presume nepotism of some sort.
Fair enough, but it's a reasonable assumption to make when you consider the bigger picture. I've stayed on the fence on this thread over the past few days, but now have considered my opinion:
There is nothing clever about walking out because you don't like one specific proposed policy. I agree that the French and Germans are acting in self interest, I can also understand the self interest involved in opposing the FTT, but to walk out like he did seems to me not to be looking at the bigger picture. Like you, I work in the city, so he's talking about our industry. If you're going to be using your veto because you don't like a proposed taxation method, you'd better turn up armed with some alternatives when it comes to much needed regulation. There needs to tighter regulation, and we're seeing none of it. CMD is totally out of touch with his OWN people if he thinks people are happy with the status quo of f*** all regulation beyond a bit of wrist slapping, and chief execs continuing to pay themselves obscene bonuses whilst the majority of the country pays for the problems this industry has caused.
Apparently cracks are now appearing in the 'non-British' EU as the leaders of the countries who said 'Yes' to the treaty at the conference are now finding that they've got opposition at home. Is this true? Maybe Cameron won't be so isolated after all.
It's to be expected. After all, Cameron has opposition to his decision in the UK.
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He had no alternative , it was a take it r leave it offer from merkozy.
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Yes maybe he should , it would be far more accurate than what he did put.
Sorry, what exactly was the offer?
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Sign up or dont , so he vetoed it.
Do you have an explanation for his absolute attention to the square mile?
In that case I think you're being incredibly naiive. The simple fact is that they wouldn't have been locked in discussion for two days if that was the case.
I'm not convinced by this. He was told to not use his veto though. Given he used it at pretty much the first opportunity one wonders if he used Merkl's threat to his advantage.
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Opinion Poll today shows a significant move up for the Tories overtaking Labour. More of the same & a snap election in the Spring will see a blue overall majority