Are there some cracks beginning to show?

[Surf's Up]

Are there some cracks beginning to show?


I see what you did there.

 

[nicko31]

I thought the dividing line was that working class people have dinner in the middle of the day, but middle class people have dinner in the evening.

Is there another definition then?

I always thought that was a north / south thing

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The Class Card again. You struggle to believe it because you don't want to - it suits your agenda.

How do you quantify 'working class' anyway? Is there a level of pay that marks a dividing line? Background? Accent?

What agenda? I don't have one as far as the McCanns are concerned. Again? When did I last use the "class card" as you put it?

As for defining class I don't think you really need a clear cut definition to understand the point I'm making. But, I think the vast majority of people will consider a couple of highly educated working physicians holidaying in Portugal as middle-class. As for working class....something a bit less than what the McCanns have and are. But I think you know this....which brings us back round to the word agenda.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I thought the dividing line was that working class people have dinner in the middle of the day, but middle class people have dinner in the evening.

Is there another definition then?

I follow George Orwell on this...it's your values, beliefs and traditions which mainly indicate your class.

 

[drew]

What agenda? I don't have one as far as the McCanns are concerned. Again? When did I last use the "class card" as you put it?

As for defining class I don't think you really need a clear cut definition to understand the point I'm making. But, I think the vast majority of people will consider a couple of highly educated working physicians holidaying in Portugal as middle-class. As for working class....something a bit less than what the McCanns have and are. But I think you know this....which brings us back round to the word agenda.

There may well be a differentiating factor due to perceived class. Compare the Mcanns with the Shannon Matthews saga. Who's to say there might not have been a fund set up and a large amount collected had it not be found the latter was a complete scam.

 

[Stato]

And I thought this was a thread about the progress of your season.

Or your cladding.

 

[melias shoes]

I find the whole saga strange. What I find most strange is the way the public seemingly overlook the fact they left their child unaccompanied at the apartment whilst they ate and drank in a restaurant. Had a working class family done this the reaction would be quite different.

I don't think the public overlooked that fact at all. Quite the opposite in fact and yes it was shocking.

 

[Normski1989]

Unfortunately, children go missing way too often. But I don't recall any case where the parents were in the limelight as much as the McCanns. Of course, that could be their plan to keep the case in peoples minds in the hope that it eventually helps it get resolved. But I feel a bit sick when I see them having books published etc... It makes me think that their only goal is to make money, not find their daughter.

Admittedly, I am one of those people that think they know more than they're letting on about the incident and are hiding a big secret. It just never seemed to add up to me.

 

[Baldseagull]

Unfortunately, children go missing way too often. But I don't recall any case where the parents were in the limelight as much as the McCanns. Of course, that could be their plan to keep the case in peoples minds in the hope that it eventually helps it get resolved. But I feel a bit sick when I see them having books published etc... It makes me think that their only goal is to make money, not find their daughter.

Admittedly, I am one of those people that think they know more than they're letting on about the incident and are hiding a big secret. It just never seemed to add up to me.

I know that the leaked Police reports and background checks had me convinced that Colin Stagg killed Rachel Nickell, even after his acquittal.
I am more open minded these days, and given that they have been investigated and insufficient evidence has been found, I think it unfair that people air their suspicions as if it were fact.

 

[WildWood]

There is a very plausible theory that they pacified her with a drug of some sort each evening, which they had easy access to as doctors, so she would sleep, because she was a light sleeper and a bit of a handful, but they failed to correctly calculate the half life of the drug, and the tail off of the sedative effect of each dose. After several consecutive doses, with tail offs still in the system, the compound effect finally took over, and that was that, allegedly.

If that was the case, what happened to the body?

 

[Jack Straw]

Yeah seen it just google "Are there some cracks beginning to show?" photo image and guess what this is up there.....


Not quite what I was expecting...

Try "Cowgirl MILF cracks beginning to show."

 

[Insel affe]

Try "Cowgirl MILF cracks beginning to show."

Nope, not no more fella...

 

[Del Fenner]

If that was the case, what happened to the body?

Here is a site presenting actual facts of the sniffer dog search of the apartment and hire car, from which you may deduce what theories some people might have.

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/41902198/Sniffer%20Dogs

An original report of the sniffer dog investigation.

http://eddieandkeela.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/mccann-sniffer-dog-video-released.html

 

[Normski1989]

I know that the leaked Police reports and background checks had me convinced that Colin Stagg killed Rachel Nickell, even after his acquittal.
I am more open minded these days, and given that they have been investigated and insufficient evidence has been found, I think it unfair that people air their suspicions as if it were fact.

I'm not sure if you were implying that I was airing my suspicions as if it were fact.

But as I said "Admittedly, I am one of those people that they know more than they're letting on about the incident and are hiding a big secret. It just never seemed to add up to me.", I don't think that I did. I made it clear that they are just my thoughts. Although one thing is certain... they were either involved somehow or could have prevented it if they hadn't neglected their daughter, i.e. leaving her on her own, made even worse by the fact that it wasn't their own home.

 

[Insel affe]

Here is a site presenting actual facts of the sniffer dog search of the apartment and hire car, from which you may deduce what theories some people might have.

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/41902198/Sniffer%20Dogs

An original report of the sniffer dog investigation.

http://eddieandkeela.blogspot.co.uk/2008/09/mccann-sniffer-dog-video-released.html

Who is running or sponsoring that site ?

Both dogs, Eddie and Keela, are trained to detect BLOOD. Eddie is specially trained to also detect human decomposition or cadaverscent.
The results of the dogs findings in apartment 5a and in the hired car, were analyzed in the forensic lab, FSS, in Birmingham, UK.
From the forensic research of all DNA material no conclusive evidence was established to proof that blood found in the apartment and/or in the rental car, belonged to Madeleine McCann.
In other words the finding of the snifferdogs were not followed up with corroborating evidence.

Were these English dogs sent out days/weeks/months after the incident ?


Ok just read this, makes sense

A Portuguese police video showing British sniffer dogs reacting to Leicestershire couple Kate and Gerry McCann's hire car and their holiday apartment has been made public.

The two specialist animals - one capable of detecting corpses and the other trained to find human blood - carried out searches in the Algarve in early August last year after the McCanns' daughter Madeleine vanished.

Footage posted on The Sun newspaper's website shows the cadaver dog, named Eddie, barking loudly next to the driver's door of the McCanns' Renault Scenic rental car.

It also shows the blood sniffer dog, called Keela, giving a "passive indication" behind the sofa in the apartment where Madeleine disappeared.

Handler Martin Grime says on the video: "She will find blood that's historically very old, and she will find anybody's blood - any human blood, which is important to make sure that everybody knows ...But she is very, very good and when she indicates there is always blood there."

As a result of the dogs' findings, samples were taken from the apartment and car and sent to the Birmingham-based Forensic Science Service (FSS) for analysis.

The sniffer dog and DNA evidence were key in the Portuguese police's decision to name Mr and Mrs McCann as suspects on September 7.

Official police files released last month showed that Mr Grime, a forensic canine expert, expressed caution about the dogs' findings.

In a report sent to Portuguese detectives in August last year, he noted that the animals only "alerted" to items associated with the McCanns, suggesting they had been contaminated with "cadaver scent".

But Mr Grime went on to warn: "This does not, however, suggest the motive or suspect as cross-contamination could be as a result of a number of given scenarios and, in any event, no evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with corroborating evidence.

 

[Insel affe]

This is interesting.

http://victuruslibertas.com/2016/11...nnection-with-missing-child-madeleine-mccann/

 

[rippleman]

The parents, and the parents alone, are responsible for Maddie's disappearance.

Would any parent here leave their young child alone, without supervision, in an apartment that was probably not particularly secure, in a foreign country, whilst they went on the beer? Of course you wouldn't - even if your child hadn't been scared and upset at the prospect.

Despite the parents trying to divert blame to all and sundry, this terrible situation would never have arisen if they had exercised even the most basic parental care.

And in a way I believe there is a "class" aspect to this situation. If the parents had not been affluent professionals, I think they would have had social services crawling all over them for a long time, at best. And at worst, had the younger children removed from their "care".

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The parents, and the parents alone, are responsible for Maddie's disappearance.

Would any parent here leave their young child alone, without supervision, in an apartment that was probably not particularly secure, in a foreign country, whilst they went on the beer? Of course you wouldn't - even if your child hadn't been scared and upset at the prospect.

Despite the parents trying to divert blame to all and sundry, this terrible situation would never have arisen if they had exercised even the most basic parental care.

And in a way I believe there is a "class" aspect to this situation. If the parents had not been affluent professionals, I think they would have had social services crawling all over them for a long time, at best. And at worst, had the younger children removed from their "care".

It used to be standard practise in holiday camps and holiday compounds. I've done it myself in the past when I was at Pontins holiday camp. You gave your chalet number to the reception, and people would patrol round listening for babies crying.
You could be in the restaurant, cabaret, theatre or cinema, and a light would go up 'Baby crying in chalet 243'.

The McCanns were in a holiday compound not just a random flat. I can understand why they felt fairly secure 100 yards away.

There may be more to it than that, but I, for one, cannot point a finger and accuse them.

 

[spring hall convert]

Would any parent here leave their young child alone, without supervision, in an apartment that was probably not particularly secure, in a foreign country, whilst they went on the beer? Of course you wouldn't - even if your child hadn't been scared and upset at the prospect.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...his-son-at-hotel-to-go-to-party-a7387286.html

 

[Normski1989]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...his-son-at-hotel-to-go-to-party-a7387286.html

There is a difference between leaving an 11 year old unattended and a 3 year old. Although an 11 year old would still be vulnerable to an intruder. Also, if people start using Michael Gove as a role model, there is no hope for man kind!