Are our young men dying so that the Afghan government can pass laws like this?

[raymondbriggs]

The sacrifice of our Troops, be the working class squaddies or upper crust officer class or even working class officers, is a tragedy and a waste and the efforts of our Troops should never be denied or forgotten.
But the old line of "Lions lead by Donkeys" still holds true,the only difference is the Donkeys have got mighty avaricious,

 

[looney]

unfortunately,anything even remotely pro or sympathetic to any issue with regards to Muslims automatically brings our chum out to trot the Kosher line.
just as he decries any view as "leftie" "red" or "commie" it is only due to his insecurity over the future of Israel.
Muslims are his enemy-not the true victims of oppression and Land Theft

What the f*** are you on retard? Ive never been to Israel, I'm not jewish ,this has nothing to do with Israel unless your some kind of neo-nazi conspiracy theorist.

 

[looney]

You forgot to mention that the CIA also gave military assistance and funding to the Taliban.

No they Didn't, they funded the Mujahadeen, the taliban emerged as a splinter group afterwards backed by by the ISI.

 

[User removed 4]

I only just found out, the other day, that a chap I knew fairly well (obviously not that well) was killed in action, back in May. Quite a few of my friends have ended up in the army and served in Afghan, but I don't feel in a position to judge whether we should be there or not.

What we set out to achieve and what we now want to achieve may be very different things. One thing that does piss me off, is a movement like the Socialist Worker who seem to spring up all over the place, who are willing to push their agenda, but come across as lending no support to our troops that are out there (in my opinion).

Michael Moore covered things rather well. There are people that are very keen to send in troops (senates and what have you), but would not be willing to enlist their family members to the cause, whatever that might be.

RIP Mark BBC NEWS | UK | Tributes to Afghan death soldier

RIP from me too , ex guardsman myself.

Mark Evison: 'We are walking a tightrope in Afghanistan' - Telegraph

 

[NMH]

The war as I understood, is about stopping regime/s that are exporting drugs to fund terrorist exploits.
It's not so much about anyone making wild rules and oppressive laws in their country, as stopping the decades of blowing up our planes, placing bombs at sports events, bringing down buildings with passenger jets, hi-jacking, kidnapping and etc. Afghanistan has been this decade's Libya, but it's harder to stop.
The Americans have not helped themselves in the past by focusing on communism and Russia, whilst allying with or ignoring small barbaric regimes for their own convenience, and 'lovable rogues' that suited agendas.

Unfortunately though, there are few to zero completely balanced political structures in the world (I'm thinking that perhaps Fiji or Vanuatu 'might' just have least corrupt leaderships and political structures, but that's reaching. Fact is ours and the USA's are flawed too).

Mankind has created so many social pitfalls and untenable political structures, that for all our supposed special advancement we cannot avoid instincts enough to make anything perfectly 'civilized'.

 

[User removed 4]

Are they also fighting a war abroad, only to be discriminated against at home ?

Swimmers are told to wear burkinis - Telegraph

 

[glasfryn]

I am today somewhat deflated on hearing you can buy genuine voting cards in Afghanistan which make a mockery of the whole thing,besides the point of what else could I expect from the other half who says all Arab states are corrupt and I'm now beginning to believe her.

but is there any other alternative other than to leave and let the yanks carpet bomb the place

 

[User removed 4]

I am today somewhat deflated on hearing you can buy genuine voting cards in Afghanistan which make a mockery of the whole thing,besides the point of what else could I expect from the other half who says all Arab states are corrupt and I'm now beginning to believe her.

but is there any other alternative other than to leave and let the yanks carpet bomb the place

Corrupt it may be , but its not arab.

 

[Highfields Seagull]

Are they also fighting a war abroad, only to be discriminated against at home ?

Swimmers are told to wear burkinis - Telegraph

Presumably, you also disagree with women-only swim sessions?

 

[User removed 4]

Presumably, you also disagree with women-only swim sessions?

yes i do.

 

[Highfields Seagull]

yes i do.

Fair enough.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I am today somewhat deflated on hearing you can buy genuine voting cards in Afghanistan which make a mockery of the whole thing,besides the point of what else could I expect from the other half who says all Arab states are corrupt and I'm now beginning to believe her.

but is there any other alternative other than to leave and let the yanks carpet bomb the place

You could start by pointing out to your 'other half' that Afghanistan isn't an Arab state.

And - if you are looking for an alternative - the option of just leaving (without the carpet bombing) might be worth thinking about.

Is it really the role of the US to deal with local level corruption anywhere in the world? I can only breathe a sigh of relief that they never invaded Doncaster.

And as for sorting out 'state sponsored killing', I suppose we should be grateful that Sarah Palin and her chum lost the US presidential election. On the basis of what she seems to believe about socialised medicine and the NHS system of convening 'death panels' to decide which of our old folk should be killed off, they'd be bombing the Royal Sussex County Hospital soon.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

We really should not be there. The second we leave, the country will once again send itself back to the stone age, as will Iraq once the support falls away. These countries cannot be propped up with Western values, they are false values for them, and they will resist and ultimately reject them.

Their manor, their laws. We in the West might not approve of their laws, but their people do until their people don't. Then they'll change them to something they like better. None of our business, so long as it doesn't threaten our own way of life.

 

[glasfryn]

You could start by pointing out to your 'other half' that Afghanistan isn't an Arab state.

And - if you are looking for an alternative - the option of just leaving (without the carpet bombing) might be worth thinking about.

Is it really the role of the US to deal with local level corruption anywhere in the world? I can only breathe a sigh of relief that they never invaded Doncaster.

And as for sorting out 'state sponsored killing', I suppose we should be grateful that Sarah Palin and her chum lost the US presidential election. On the basis of what she seems to believe about socialised medicine and the NHS system of convening 'death panels' to decide which of our old folk should be killed off, they'd be bombing the Royal Sussex County Hospital soon.

I seem to remember the yanks pulling out of the 1980 olympics in protest at the Russians going into Afghanistan , when the people in the pentagon were walking around giving one another high fives
the Russian reasoning behind their occupation was to stop the spread of Islam into their southern satalite states ..............did'nt work did it .......we tried to occupy the country two centuries ago ....that did'nt work either.
I did and still do believe there has to be a threatre of war away from the Western world,Iraq was one until Afghanistan kicked in ......its always going to be a containing exercise rather than a complete occupation which would be very difficult to attain.
this war is going to rumble on for years and we had all better get used to it and whether or not we agree with it we should all look at our boys and have pride in them and hope that our idea of talking to the talliban will work eventually as it did with the IRA.

my other half does know the difference between an Arab state and an Islamic state she gets sad and angry at the loss of life and after nearly 30 years together I know what she means, Arab/Islamic all have the tinge of corruption.



as do many western states

 

[looney]

When Islam is spread by the sword it destroys indigenous cultures so arab is a valid definition if you mean culture and not race.

 

[raymondbriggs]

why not go back to what you do best looney
spamming this board with your classic cut and paste jobbies(and I use that word deliberately),your usual and disturbing taste in perverted pornography.
ignoring that "crap" was much more rewarding than ignoring your political viewpoint

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

I really doubt that dialogue with the Taliban would serve much purpose. They have been known to enter into dialogue with oil companies when it comes to providing "security", but ultimately this is not like settling down to discuss the decommissioning of armalites. They are far, far more driven than the Irish were, they are rabid in their belief, the Irish were realistically driven by their fingers in the crime pies that they had established and did not want to let go of.

I really think that just leaving is the best option, and focusing on our own border protection would serve a better function. They will commit atrocities on their own people, but they will always do that, and have been doing that anyway, no matter how we try to enlighten them. The "stabilised" Iraqi forces have already re-established their own death forces and militia within the police and army - and these people will rise to the top once we leave the vacuum. We need to become stronger in our own convictions, as they are in theirs, and we need to draw the line not in the sand of foreign lands, but in the sand of our own beaches.

 

[looney]

why not go back to what you do best looney
spamming this board with your classic cut and paste jobbies(and I use that word deliberately),your usual and disturbing taste in perverted pornography.
ignoring that "crap" was much more rewarding than ignoring your political viewpoint

Yawn, more boring whining from another useless cocksucker.

Tell you what, if you think I copy and paste why not search up what you think ive copied. Put it in google to find the original then post it up exposing me as a fraud?

Call me on my "bullshit" like I'm calling you on yours, put up or shut the f*** up.

You cant answer my political points because you have none of your own. Why not let me know what name you used to post under ya nic switching fucktard.

 

[raymondbriggs]

ya nic switching fucktard.

surely you remember me?
you were left weeping over your keyboard promising you were never going to post on NSC again.
you were EVER full of shit.

 

[looney]

lol as if thats going to happen, ever.
So forgetable as you are why not grow a pair and say what your last nic was?