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Long, long way to go yet.
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[Politics] Are Labour going to turn this country around?
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Long, long way to go yet.
London Irish
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They get about a hundredth of the media publicity of Reform (deliberately by the media) but that’s also a disappointing number for the Greens
Ike and Tina Burner
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- Mar 22, 2019
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They not railing against human rights in the sense that they shouldn't exist. They're railing against the current balance of our human rights as citizens vs others. For example the recent case of a dangerous Jamaican rapist who can't be deported because he's "bisexual" and at risk in his home country. Why do his human rights trump ours? Why should we live amongst a rapist? If he wanted to live in our liberal open society then he shouldn't have f***ing raped someone.
It's that type of backwards logic that is rampant throughout our entire legal and political establishment and it's what people are rallying against.
Ike and Tina Burner
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- Mar 22, 2019
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"That fire that Labor are pouring gasoline on was started by the Tories"What a word salad.
Just to correct the article on Chagos, for example.
Chagos was negotiated by James Cleverly in 2022.
Complete radio silence from the Tory led media.
In 2024 Labour win the general election.
The Tory led media immediately become incandescent with rage regarding Chagos, including the Tories that conducted the negotiations.
Not much of a defence is it? The Tories were an abysmal mess, I agree. It doesn't excuse Labour continuing with one of their terrible descisions. And it really, really is.
seagullsovergrimsby
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How the f*** have the Tories gone up 5% in the polls when they are losing support to Reform ?
A traditional swing of Labour to Tory. Whilst Reform are picking up votes from both.
Yes - but what have they actually done to make people think 'they're better now, I can vote for them'?
BBassic
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Yeah I don't really have an answer
That case is difficult. He's committed, and is serving time for, a horrendous crime. Does that crime remove or diminish his rights as a human being? The judges think not and not being anything close to an expert in any legal matters I can't argue. I know personally I think rapists are right down there with the lowest of the low. But I'm not a judge.
Ike and Tina Burner
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- Mar 22, 2019
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Governments get less popular over time, not more. And these jokers haven't even got into the truly tough descisions bit of their term. They're also so bad at optics that the good stuff they'll drop to try and offset will probably make them less popular.
Rdodge30
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- Dec 30, 2022
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Everyone’s gains are just basically Labour’s losses - Labour are losing votes to both reform and conservative
Since1982
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seagullsovergrimsby
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The last opinion poll I saw on Sky News three days ago had Reform one point behind Labour with the Tories trailing in third place.
What Starmer famously did (everyone agrees about this), say very little about what you’ll tangibly do, stand back and watch the electorate decide the government is a car crash. The media and social media doing your bidding.
Sorry, you would prefer guilty parties not to be going to jail, I would respect Keir for having a full national inquiry now, but he and Yvette are doing exactly what we said the Tories were doing, kicking the can down the road. He is making himself and our party look like Tories.
Most labour voters I know are appalled by Labour, you must be one of a tiny minority that are happy with this. Champion has this spot on, she is a true labour girl doing her job as we expect of her.
Yes.
Reform within touching distance of Labour as poll suggests 'new era' for British politics
A new poll for Sky News by YouGov puts Nigel Farage's party just one percentage point behind the government.
All within small polling margins. A close three horse race if held today, but 4.5 years to go.
seagullsovergrimsby
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Still enough time to bring back the WFA for disaffected OAP Labour voters.Yes.
Reform within touching distance of Labour as poll suggests 'new era' for British politics
A new poll for Sky News by YouGov puts Nigel Farage's party just one percentage point behind the government.news.sky.com
All within small polling margins. A close three horse race if held today, but 4.5 years to go.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
It’s very tempting to be emotional over terrible crimes like rape. Every case is different. The Jamaican had been beaten and abused himself as a child. That’s no excuse, of course.
He served 7 years, wrote a letter of apology to the victim, and attended a victim awareness course. Reoffending rapes are 4%, so unlikely to reoffend.
Convicted rapist avoids deportation to Jamaica because he is bisexual
Rapist avoids deportation because he fears persecution for his sexuality in Jamaica
www.standard.co.uk
Judges look at the facts, not emotions, even though we don’t like their decisions, and journalists like to play on our emotions especially the tabloids.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Plus, the council by-elections show that polls are not translating into votes. Over 170 elections since last July have yielded just 7 seats.
Still enough time to bring back the WFA for disaffected OAP Labour voters.
I wonder why Scotland has abandoned Labour after 6 months, the 36 seats gains were extremely helpful. The SNP was a despised shambles last July. Are the SNP playing their old game of promising the uncosted earth?
Nothing but Nothing is considered preferable to the Labour fiasco of the moment !!!