[Albion] Are a section of our fans also like RDZ?

[Weststander]

Like most things in life, unless you are in the know, you ain't getting the full story. So are you accusing the club of deliberately denying RDZ prem-ready players with 100% concrete knowledge that this was the case or did the club try to move heaven and earth to accommodate this within the constraints of the club's strategy/finances/structure and they weren't successful? Accusing of being hyperbolic is fine if you know the full inside story - is that the case?

The club left us with no DM’ers with pace and experience, no decent cover for Veltman and Estupinan.

Not after timing, mentioned countless times last summer on transfer threads.

 

[Hometownglory]

This is true but the club are only going to spend money on the right player(s). If they are not available for whatever reason then the club will wait. The question is how far the club can/will change their parameters to be a bit more flexible in this approach.

We could have got Dewsbury-Hall and James WP with the Caicedo money and had plenty of change. Saving the wages for Milner, Fati and Dahoud. West Ham spent the Declan Rice money very well IMO.

 

[Balders]

The club left us with no DM’ers with pace and experience, no decent cover for Veltman and Estupinan.

Not after timing, mentioned countless times last summer on transfer threads.

This isn't new news. Were you privy to the conversations within the club as to what they tried and their strategy in respect of recruitment, what worked, what didn't work and why etc... otherwise it's very easy to throw blame without context. The club openly say they don't get everything right, but fans expect 100% perfection ;-)

If you were privy, perhaps you can explain why?

 

[Weststander]

This isn't new news. Were you privy to the conversations within the club as to what they tried and their strategy in respect of recruitment, what worked, what didn't work and why etc... otherwise it's very easy to throw blame without context. The club openly say they don't get everything right, but fans expect 100% perfection ;-)

If you were privy, perhaps you can explain why?

You can’t stand it that many fans spotted glaring holes in the first team/squad, dared to have an opinion that doesn’t accord with a happy clappy all is well. They failed to address the loss of Mwepu, Caicedo and Mac defensively. They failed to provide pacy cover, masters at defending, for Estupinan and Veltman. Particularly bearing in mind a unique European adventure. Our centre midfield is woeful.

Renowned for incredible planning, they dropped the ball on this occasion.

 

[Balders]

You can’t stand it that many fans spotted glaring holes in the first team/squad, dared to have an opinion that doesn’t accord with a happy clappy all is well. They failed to address the loss of Mwepu, Caicedo and Mac defensively. They failed to provide pacy cover, master at defending, for Estupinan and Veltman. Particularly bearing in mind a unique European adventure. Our centre midfield is woeful.

Renowned for incredible planning, they dropped the ball on this occasion.

Glaring holes that saw us win 5 out of our first 6 games and topped a European Group?

 

[A1X]

It doesn’t matter what club you support, what level they play at, what stage of the season it is, there is one thing every football fan has a right to expect from the team they pay to see. Effort.

Right now, we’re playing like a team that can’t be arsed and doesn’t care. That might be unfair, but it’s how they come across. Are we wrong to expect the team to actually look like they can be arsed to turn up?

It doesn’t mean they’ll win every week. Nobody should expect a club like us to win every week. But even in defeat you can stand up and be counted and put the effort in.

 

[Weststander]

Glaring holes that saw us win 5 out of our first 6 games and topped a European Group?

A sample size of half a dozen games before being found out, Moyes showed the way.

The worst Ajax team in 65 years, AEK outplayed us. The stand out was Marseille home and away.

 

[Springal]

A sample size of half a dozen games before being found out, Moyes showed the way.

The worst Ajax team in 65 years, AEK outplayed us. The stand out was Marseille home and away.

And you can’t say stuff like that - but when blame injuries or lack of experience when we are shit in the league. It’s one or the other

Or we are a One man team with Mitoma

 

[London Irish]

Like most things in life, unless you are in the know, you ain't getting the full story. So are you accusing the club of deliberately denying RDZ prem-ready players with 100% concrete knowledge that this was the case or did the club try to move heaven and earth to accommodate this within the constraints of the club's strategy/finances/structure and they weren't successful? Accusing of being hyperbolic is fine if you know the full inside story - is that the case?

No, if you are saying signing 2 or 3 players would have imperilled the finances of the club, the burden of the proof is on you to prove that, not on me. What we do know from information in the public domain is the financial position of the club is very, very healthy.

I didn’t say the club deliberately failed to sign players, so please don’t caricature my views, I think they tried but failed. Much in the same way as we are trying and failing to score goals at the moment. By your logic that doesn’t mean I think our players are deliberately trying not to score goals.

I think misjudgments have been made about the strength and depth of the squad we needed to compete in this very hard league and Europe for at least two transfer windows now. That wouldn’t be so bad if the broad mass of fan opinion took that in a fairly even handed manner. But we are actually seeing a bit of a ridiculous meltdown which could push the club into making even more mistakes, such as dispensing with a very talented manager

 

[London Irish]

You can’t stand it that many fans spotted glaring holes in the first team/squad, dared to have an opinion that doesn’t accord with a happy clappy all is well. They failed to address the loss of Mwepu, Caicedo and Mac defensively. They failed to provide pacy cover, masters at defending, for Estupinan and Veltman. Particularly bearing in mind a unique European adventure. Our centre midfield is woeful.

Renowned for incredible planning, they dropped the ball on this occasion.

Indeed - perhaps we might have got away with it for one transfer window, but two has seen the dam burst. It was always coming if you take so much talent out of the squad and don’t replace it.

 

[Napper]

We tasted the high . We have started our descent back to our correct level

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

We tasted the high . We have started our descent back to our correct level

Or maybe we just can't keep getting better and moving forward every single season. You could have written this after the Hyypia season, or after our second PL season, or perhaps after RDZ's first month in charge.

This is where the 'well-run club' narrative comes into play. That is what might allow us to refresh, retool and move forward again. If we were sitting here having lost £100m in a push for european football, and needing to sell, then I'd agree with you.

 

[American Seagle]

You can’t stand it that many fans spotted glaring holes in the first team/squad, dared to have an opinion that doesn’t accord with a happy clappy all is well. They failed to address the loss of Mwepu, Caicedo and Mac defensively. They failed to provide pacy cover, masters at defending, for Estupinan and Veltman. Particularly bearing in mind a unique European adventure. Our centre midfield is woeful.

Renowned for incredible planning, they dropped the ball on this occasion.

They didn't really. It just didn't work out this time. Had Dahood been decent and Baleba been less raw it would have been pretty good.
I suspect they wanted to bring in Barco in the summer but it didn't work out and had to wait.
That is the risk we have and it's the only way we will compete. Spanking cash on players might work for a season or two but won't be a good long term strategy, it never is unless you have big 6 infinity money and the league on your side when it comes to breaking rules.

 

[oldboyroy]

Some Brighton are a bit melty we lost at Liverpool and it’s well what do expect Palace win there. Currently Forest are giving City a game not rolling over having their tummies tickled. The trouble with all the tippy tappy football is it’s not aggressive enough. Our players aren’t giving everything out on that pitch and that’s a problem.

Yes. I watched the forest game and they gave City a hard game and created enough good chances themselves to of won the game. Yes, forest are fighting for their lives but that's the thing....we seem to be just tuning up because we have to rather than fight for points that will earn the club a few million for league places.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Yes. I watched the forest game and they gave City a hard game and created enough good chances themselves to of won the game. Yes, forest are fighting for their lives but that's the thing....we seem to be just tuning up because we have to rather than fight for points that will earn the club a few million for league places.

Hasn't this kind of thing been seen for ever in every division with every team ever? team with something to play for fights harder than one who's goals were decided earlier in the season?

And does it ever have a bearing on the next season?

 

[oldboyroy]

Hasn't this kind of thing been seen for ever in every division with every team ever? team with something to play for fights harder than one who's goals were decided earlier in the season?

And does it ever have a bearing on the next season?

Yes, but we still had an outside chance of qualifying for Europe again which is plenty to play for.

 

[Flounce]

Yes, but we still had an outside chance of qualifying for Europe again which is plenty to play for.

Sadly the manager went from talking about the players who were too good to play for Brighton, and making history, in the run in last season, to how the players weren’t good enough, to blaming the board for not backing him and generally being a grumpy arsey sod. Things come from the top and his negativity obviously fed through to the players who started to play with fear and hence lost all confidence. The fall off in form has more to do with RDZ than anything else, just imo knowing nothing just observing. Could be very wrong I know.

I also think he may also have believed the media hype about him before Rome and probably felt he was now too good for the Albion too, so took his eye off the ball eyeing up potentially bigger clubs for his near term future.