[Politics] anyone in that Hemisphere reporting on what's going on in China/Taiwan...?

[sydney]

Anyone know what time kick off is and if theres a stream?

where loose

 

[wuntbedruv]

That rhetoric has been nipped in the bud by the new government , our armed forces don't even register as a % of China's , i wouldn't be surprised if the AUKUS deal is scrubbed soon either , Taiwan is basically to Chinas what Ukraine was to Russia although it's an Island it is basically Chinese territory which has become westernised , they've got Hong Kong back , Taiwan could be next on the list.

Hong Kong was rented and the lease ran out, also impossible to hold onto as totally dependent on China for the most basic of human needs. Water. Hong Kong had no domestic supply.

Taiwan/ Formosa has mixed history (China Portugal Japan all claiming it) and sided with Japan during WW2 leading to control returning to China in 1945 . Mao kicked the ROC out of mainland China and led to Chiang Kai-Shek imposing his own oppressive rule for 40 years under Martial Law.

Taiwan is China the same as the Malvinas belong to Argentina.

China owns US national debt and could cripple te US economy any time it chose.

 

[doogie004]

Anyone know what time kick off is and if theres a stream?

Might clash with the Ukrainian match


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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

In my experience, the vast majority of folk here never mention or worry about the evils of China or Russia. No interest at all.

Sadly, I think hedonism/consumerism/self-interest rules.

Also from a; "It is what it is"/"Only worry about the things you can control" ... taken to an extreme. Preserving mental health.

The Ukraine interest here fell away.


I wonder what ordinary Brits felt in the late thirties as a genocidal war machine took over The Sudetenland, Poland?

This.

That said, I spoke to my old boss yesterday (his wife is Chinese, his daugher and son-in-law live and work half the year in China) and he said 'War? No chance'.

 

[pb21]

China has us by the balls. We’ve spent years increasing our reliance on them for cheap, mass-produced goods.

Shutting Russia out was a piece of piss by comparison.

Saw this the other day, quite succinct, probably too succinct, but not too much!





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[maffew]

People seem to be remarkably cool about what’s going on over there. But if it really does kick off, it will make Ukraine seem like a vicars tea party.

50 percent of worlds semi conductors, 80 percent of worlds advanced semi conductors

50% of the worlds shipping passes through the Taiwan Strait, itd be pretty disastrous to supply chains/cost of products if this were disrupted, a very different set of problems than fuel and grain

 

[hampshirebrightonboy]

China has us by the balls. We’ve spent years increasing our reliance on them for cheap, mass-produced goods.

Shutting Russia out was a piece of piss by comparison.

But we also have them by the balls too. We stop buying their stuff and they are f*cked

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

This is my go-to twitter account for Taiwan analysis :

[Tweet]1554758771028774916[/Tweet]

 

[The_Viper]

Terrifying and it seems America has learnt nothing since Korea and Vietnam. Poking China was very ill considered


If America is going to follow through their rhetoric and get involved if Taiwan is invaded we can all kiss our arses goodbye

This, the US are a war mongering country and this was a direct provocation. If Trump was in charge and that prick McConnell went over there we'd be seeing this rightly on the front page of every news outlet criticising the absolutely mental decision to do this for nothing other than posturing and acting warlike, but with the current government and midterms coming it has to be downplayed, especially in the US and I understand that. Its a shame though, the media coverage and media scrutiny the government was under from 2016 to 2020 was superb and rooted out all sorts of disgraceful stuff, its a shame they didn't keep that same energy up.

 

[Eric the meek]

But we also have them by the balls too. We stop buying their stuff and they are f*cked

And they've got 1.45 billion mouths to feed. That's ten times as many as Russia, where western sanctions are working nicely.

 

[wuntbedruv]

But we also have them by the balls too. We stop buying their stuff and they are f*cked

China has yet to begin exploiting their domestic markets potential, with its widespread ownership of the production of raw materials, particularly in Africa, and many friendly governments there China is well placed to survive any sanctions the West could deploy.

Particularly with near a Trillion of US government Debt owed to China allowing them to buy anything they may need.

The only potential impact would be the total collapse of the Western economy bankrupting the US and devaluing that debt by hyper inflation.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/18/chi...1-trillion-for-the-first-time-since-2010.html

 

[sydney]

Hong Kong was rented and the lease ran out, also impossible to hold onto as totally dependent on China for the most basic of human needs. Water. Hong Kong had no domestic supply.

Taiwan/ Formosa has mixed history (China Portugal Japan all claiming it) and sided with Japan during WW2 leading to control returning to China in 1945 . Mao kicked the ROC out of mainland China and led to Chiang Kai-Shek imposing his own oppressive rule for 40 years under Martial Law.

Taiwan is China the same as the Malvinas belong to Argentina.

China owns US national debt and could cripple te US economy any time it chose.

yes indeed , this is what its all about , "foreign debt" well , where has that debt come from , in such magnitude ...?? someone up there is pretty stupid nah..? where does this leave you and me ...the 2 biggest economies by far (although america is waining) going head to head ......what is the point really ..? Russia takes Ukraine , China takes Taiwan america who has caused a lot of this bollox can and most likely will , in the long term , get ****ed.

 

[sydney]

China has yet to begin exploiting their domestic markets potential, with its widespread ownership of the production of raw materials, particularly in Africa, and many friendly governments there China is well placed to survive any sanctions the West could deploy.

Particularly with near a Trillion of US government Debt owed to China allowing them to buy anything they may need.

The only potential impact would be the total collapse of the Western economy bankrupting the US and devaluing that debt by hyper inflation.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/18/chi...1-trillion-for-the-first-time-since-2010.html

i just spent 6 weeks in Zambia , Zimbabwe and Malawi .....the chinese are in there big time.

 

[Napper]

https://armedforces.eu/compare/country_USA_vs_China

would fancy USA

 

[Guinness Boy]

Lived in Taipei for nearly four years, moving back here just over 15 years ago. Even back then things were pretty tense. The Chinese conducted a lot of these sorts of exercises and relations were pretty dreadful. Back then it was because Taiwan had just elected a "Green" DPP led government, I think for the first time. The Green coalition favour Taiwanese nationalism and are hostile to Beijing. Since then power has switched with relations always improving when the "Blue" group headed by the KMT, who are Chinese nationalists and prefer greater ties between the two, were in power. Ironic, because the Chinese are only in Taiwan because the KMT fled there when they lost the civil war to the Communists and Japan was handily booted out of Taiwan at a similar time.

Pelosi has deliberately provoked China and no one is quite sure why but, while the Americans recognise mainland China and not Taiwan they are heavily in with the Taiwanese, particularly the DPP. When I lived there our upstairs neighbour was an American arms dealer who lived with his Taiwanese escort "girlfriend" and we regularly dined with an American spy, er, sorry, I mean "diplomat". There is a big American club, an American school, lots of US ex pats living in and around Tien Mu and a HUGE number of American owned multi national businesses.

If it goes wrong the consequences for the world will be unimaginably bad. However, if the Chinese wanted to really kick it off they could simply use a statement by one of the more radical "Green" leaders or find themselves a convenient spy or arms dealer and use that as an excuse. Pelosi going there has basically lost the Chinese mainland "face" and they need to show power to recover that loss of face.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

It seems a crazily provocative move for Pelosi to go there. China's been asserting itself more and more in the region(and the world at large) and this has given them the perfect pretence to do more as they are now happily doing.

The aircraft carrier is not in dock at Yokosuka. I'm pretty sure that that has nothing to do with the Taiwan trip though.

 

[Papak]

35 responses, none of which actually answered the OP's question...

36 now for the comedians here.

 

[wuntbedruv]

yes indeed , this is what its all about , "foreign debt" well , where has that debt come from , in such magnitude ...?? someone up there is pretty stupid nah..? where does this leave you and me ...the 2 biggest economies by far (although america is waining) going head to head ......what is the point really ..? Russia takes Ukraine , China takes Taiwan america who has caused a lot of this bollox can and most likely will , in the long term , get ****ed.

China buying up US Goverment Bonds although they are reducing exposure due to fear of default. Japan owns more than China. about 1.2 Trillion of treasury bonds. For the Land of the Free they certainly have heavy shackles.

 

[sparkie]

All a bit tense at the moment with Chinese naval exercises all around Taiwan.

I get the geo-political reasons for not wanting China to have an island on which they could build naval bases to threaten the world's oceans, but I struggle somewhat with us getting too involved ( beyond sanctions ) with something half a planet away if anything escalates.

Worth watching but this time it's still most probably just sabre rattling.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Taiwan is very different from Ukraine due to the large sea in between, makes any invasion far more difficult. Taiwan also has a much better equiped, prepared army, and support of a very large capable US navy fleet.

I agree.

However, China must feel emboldened by the lack of substantial response by the west to Russia annexing Crimea and dicking about with an invasion of Ukraine.

One wonders what Biden had in mind. Sadly, I suspect: not a lot.