Anyone ever cross a picket line?

[Dave the OAP]

Teachers are in the TPS as you say and therefore were not invoplved in industrial action.

I am an HR Manager and so usually on the other side of the table to the HR reps. On this occassion, however, I am standing right behind them.

Yet of course at the moment, teachers are in dispute with Brighton Council and the LEA over management regrading in primary schools.....the NUT has already sounded out teachers for strike action at various schools in the authority.

Be interesting what UNISON's reaction will be when their members are asken not to cross the picket lines, when teachers deliberately did cross picket lines in teh TA's dispute

 

[sully]

Just pointing out, that long hours are not unique to any sector.

Not quite how the post I quoted read, though!

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

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The point I am trying to make is that there are many millions of people who have seen their pensions dissappear. About 26% of money raised by council tax is used to pay pensions (GE Life). Why should people who have seen their own pensions depleted be forced to pay to maintain other peoples at a level they can only dream of? The government hasn't stepped into help Equitable Life pensioners, so why these local government ones? It should be fair for all pensioners and reflect their contributions.

Also, I don't think it is fair to saddle the next generation with the bills for our pensions. They now have to pay for education, houses will cost them more and they will have to retire even later than us. We should all take responsibility for our own financial arrangements because, if nothing else, this shows us that the government cannot be trusted to spend our money wisley if it has made promises it cannot keep.

As for your figures for company bosses, would you care to do the same for footballers, film stars, pop stars etc., or is it just jealousy? I would agree with you about MPs though and recently councillors have voted themselves pension rights.

Right, As far as I'm aware I have not heard one footballer, film star or pop star complain about the civil service pension issue, where as Digby Jones of the CBI most certainly has. The CBI is one of the most hypocritical organisations in the UK. Why not ask him why GE went pear shape as a number of his esteemed CBI members are arguably responsible for the whole sordid business. Also since when have things ever been fair. In schemes that have executive sections, the executives get 1/40 whereas the rank and file get 1/60, this will cost the exec a couple of extra percentage point in contributions but he gets massive benefits.

The promise was not made by this goverment or the previous or the one before that. The last Tory chancellor could have made things a lot easier by revoking the 105% funding rule but he did not, so lets keep the party politics out of this shall we, both are as bad as each other.

As I have posted twice before, universities are not the most efficient of places, and so I wouldn't throw stones if I were you.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

the executives get 1/40 whereas the rank and file get 1/60

or 1/80 now in my public sector scheme... that "little" change having sneaked through a while ago...

 

[London Calling]

Not quite how the post I quoted read, though!

Apologise, but my aim was to put a balanced and hopefully educated viewpont.....................

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

or 1/80 now in my public sector scheme... that "little" change having sneaked through a while ago...

becoming a more and more popular way of dealing with funding issues ......

 

[Lord Bracknell]

or 1/80 now in my public sector scheme... that "little" change having sneaked through a while ago...

The local government contract that I used to have was 1/80 throughout my entire time in the scheme (starting in 1976). And that applied to everyone in the local government pension scheme.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

The local government contract that I used to have was 1/80 throughout my entire time in the scheme (starting in 1976). And that applied to everyone in the local government pension scheme.

didn't know that... makes me feel a bit better - i was rather disappointed when i first realised that my promised two thirds was in fact now going to be a half... (please no comments about people who have lost more/everything - two wrongs don't make a right...)

 

[Trufflehound]

I crossed a picket line with some planks of wood.


I got a picket fence.







Sorry...

 

[Moshe Gariani]

I crossed a picket line with some planks of wood.


I got a picket fence.







Sorry...

lucky you didn't cross it with a tone deaf aeroplane...

 

[Yorkie]

I am sorry that is bollocks.

Teachers can retire at 60 on full pension whereas Classroom assistants have to wait for their 65 birthday

I was talking about State pensions if you read my post correctly.

 

[chip]

Right, As far as I'm aware I have not heard one footballer, film star or pop star complain about the civil service pension issue, where as Digby Jones of the CBI most certainly has. The CBI is one of the most hypocritical organisations in the UK. Why not ask him why GE went pear shape as a number of his esteemed CBI members are arguably responsible for the whole sordid business. Also since when have things ever been fair. In schemes that have executive sections, the executives get 1/40 whereas the rank and file get 1/60, this will cost the exec a couple of extra percentage point in contributions but he gets massive benefits.

The promise was not made by this goverment or the previous or the one before that. The last Tory chancellor could have made things a lot easier by revoking the 105% funding rule but he did not, so lets keep the party politics out of this shall we, both are as bad as each other.

As I have posted twice before, universities are not the most efficient of places, and so I wouldn't throw stones if I were you.

Calm down, I'm not making any party political point, just saying that with regards to pensions things should be fair all round. I wouldn't expect the tax payer to pick up the bill if USS goes up like a lead baloon - I have alternative arrangements. Likewise I already pay £2000+ pa in council tax, why should I pay any more to fund the pensions of people providing services I have hardly used? If USS used my contributions to fund current pensioners it would be decalred insolvent and closed down. I don't think we are actually discussing the civil service pension scheme anyway.

I think that you may have confused my reference to GE Life. It was their survey that reported the 26% of council tax funding pension liabilities.

About footballers etc., the point I was making there was that their funds will always be huge in comparison to the average bod, why just pick on captains of industry? BTW, that was in response to Dandymans comments and these executive pensions will have lost value with their investments anyway. If the pension is part of the pay deal, what is the difference between that and a dustman if the outcome has to be changed for pragmatic reasons, i.e. a shortfall in the fund.

Just because I happen to derive some of my income from employment in a university, does that mean that I should not express an opinion on other pension schemes?