Anyone else bored of the extreme left?

[BadFish]

Simplistic view, typical of the left, that everything was non greedy pre-1979.

Until that point, the wealthy were more often than not privately educated who made damn sure that they did business only with their connected mates though the old boy network.

The odds were stacked heavily against anyone else making a good life for them self, also by credit controls, and a snobbish class system and culture.

Everyone else were quite deliberately left to struggle on, with small hope of enjoying the choices available to the elite.

Love it or hate it, but Britain is far more of a meritocracy now than it was all the way up the 1970's.

Yet a larger proportion of wealth is concentrated within a smaller percentage of the population.

Since 1970, area rates of poverty and wealth in Britain have changed significantly. Britain is moving back towards levels of inequality in wealth and poverty last seen more than 40 years ago

http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/poverty-and-wealth-across-britain-1968-2005

 

[El Presidente]

The extreme left have far more with the extreme right than they do with the moderate left/centre left.

The same can be said of the extreme right etc.

I'm inclined to agree with Looney on this, the extreme left are very boring, intolerant and most are a bit dim too.

 

[dingodan]

I feel that this is relevant.

Is it?

What do people think?

 

[Nibble]

I am using the term Extreme here to denote the emotive abuse of politics, were statements are used to elicit emotional responses or censor, in the same way the extreme right can be defined by its emotive terms and language, hence why tories slap down members telling racist jokes. Its about drawing a line between the center right and BNP types. On the left this no longer happens.

First its the casual smears of racist, or phobias whenever an extremist hears something they fear or don't understand.

Then there is the casual attacks of the free press "Daily Mail". Funny at first, a bit creepy when all the left seem to join in sheeplike, now just a bit boring. what are they/you trying to achieve?

Now we have the rants about thatcher, this is foremost playing the player rather than the ball and goes towards setting similarstandards as the 2 examples above.

Do NSC Mods have any views? TBF Bozza was outspoken against my third point. But it needs to be said, extreme right face sanctions on here if they go of on one so why not the far left?

After all the examples I gave are to an extent attempts to stifle debate and expression. Is this relevant to a public forum?

Where is the center left? All these lefties are beginning to look the same to me.

Idiotic, ill informed, half wittery. As usual.

 

[melias shoes]

EXTREME LEFT.....Political and Social envy of anybody who has more than them.....doe'snt matter how hard they worked to get up the social ladder if they've got more,their bitterness and bile knows no bounds.

Correct!

 

[melias shoes]

Thanks for that Alf Garnett, ow are the Hammers doing this year?

Truth hurts.

 

[Ex-Staffs Gull]

Out of interest, why is it considered 'ok' to be a communist but not a fascist. Personally, I find any extreme political view abhorent, and both breeds have been resopnsible for millions of deaths and human rights abuses. Maybe I am wrong in this, but far left politics certainly seems to be more socially acceptable than far right. I would prefer both to disappear up their own googles...

 

[kemptown kid]

Out of interest, why is it considered 'ok' to be a communist but not a fascist. Personally, I find any extreme political view abhorent, and both breeds have been resopnsible for millions of deaths and human rights abuses. Maybe I am wrong in this, but far left politics certainly seems to be more socially acceptable than far right. I would prefer both to disappear up their own googles...

Perhaps because communist/ extreme left thinking is fundamentally about unity, equality and respect for all, whist fascist/ far right thinking is fundamentally about bigotry and division - based on the view that one ethnicity/ nationality/ class/sexuality/ gender/ religion is superior to others. A communist activist is likely to be involved in trade unionism, anti-racism etc whilst a fascist activist is likely to be promoting hatred and, consciously or not, encouraging attacks on those who happen to be 'different' in some way. Neither in the UK in 2013 is responsible for horrors committed in the name of their beliefs in the 1930s and 40s, but you are much more likely to find an apologist for empire/ gas chambers on the right than the left.

 

[GT49er]

The left are level headed and sensible, without too much leeway. The right have many levels of selfishness.

There's no i in left. . .

No f in people with right wing views who can conduct a reasoned argument without resorting to mud-slinging and insults either, it seems..........!

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Perhaps because communist/ extreme left thinking is fundamentally about unity, equality and respect for all, whist fascist/ far right thinking is fundamentally about bigotry and division - based on the view that one ethnicity/ nationality/ class/sexuality/ gender/ religion is superior to others. A communist activist is likely to be involved in trade unionism, anti-racism etc whilst a fascist activist is likely to be promoting hatred and, consciously or not, encouraging attacks on those who happen to be 'different' in some way. Neither in the UK in 2013 is responsible for horrors committed in the name of their beliefs in the 1930s and 40s, but you are much more likely to find an apologist for empire/ gas chambers on the right than the left.

Good lord, you are truly deluded if you think communism is some how above fascism.

There are large amounts of communists who'll argue that the Soviet Union was a good regime and people were looked after well. Despite that being the total opposite of reality.

 

[RowleyBirkinQ.C(deceased)]

Idiotic, ill informed, half wittery. As usual.

I've never seen you post positively or in agreement with anybody. Idiotic, ill informed, half wittety and predictable as usual ;-)

 

[RexCathedra]

Is there an extreme left? Who's the new Foote? Where does the next generation of Wedgwood-Benns come from?

The extreme left in [insert name of favorite OECD member state here] could meet in a phone box and still have room for the DJ and a cash bar.

Not that that's a good thing, mind you, given the wonders untrammeled capitalism has allowed all of us to enjoy lately....

 

[Sussex Nomad]

I am using the term Extreme here to denote the emotive abuse of politics, were statements are used to elicit emotional responses or censor, in the same way the extreme right can be defined by its emotive terms and language, hence why tories slap down members telling racist jokes. Its about drawing a line between the center right and BNP types. On the left this no longer happens.

First its the casual smears of racist, or phobias whenever an extremist hears something they fear or don't understand.

Then there is the casual attacks of the free press "Daily Mail". Funny at first, a bit creepy when all the left seem to join in sheeplike, now just a bit boring. what are they/you trying to achieve?

Now we have the rants about thatcher, this is foremost playing the player rather than the ball and goes towards setting similarstandards as the 2 examples above.

Do NSC Mods have any views? TBF Bozza was outspoken against my third point. But it needs to be said, extreme right face sanctions on here if they go of on one so why not the far left?

After all the examples I gave are to an extent attempts to stifle debate and expression. Is this relevant to a public forum?

Where is the center left? All these lefties are beginning to look the same to me.

Yep terribly bored by them, embarrassed that people cheer someones death and watch X Factor and I simply feel this country is totally f*cked up by the moralists. I'm sure they'll move on one day.

 

[Ex-Staffs Gull]

Perhaps because communist/ extreme left thinking is fundamentally about unity, equality and respect for all, whist fascist/ far right thinking is fundamentally about bigotry and division - based on the view that one ethnicity/ nationality/ class/sexuality/ gender/ religion is superior to others. A communist activist is likely to be involved in trade unionism, anti-racism etc whilst a fascist activist is likely to be promoting hatred and, consciously or not, encouraging attacks on those who happen to be 'different' in some way. Neither in the UK in 2013 is responsible for horrors committed in the name of their beliefs in the 1930s and 40s, but you are much more likely to find an apologist for empire/ gas chambers on the right than the left.

Seriously, stalin, pol pot, mao will also have appologists on the left. Millions killed in gulags and bamboo courts. I am not debating who was better, they were all evil, but why one is more acceptable than another. Totalitarianism is wrong and evil, and extreme anything is totalitarian. People like Wedgewood Ben are not extremists, he believed in his politics, Thatcher was not an extremist either. This is communist or fascist not socialist or capitalist.

 

[pastafarian]

got bored with them years ago.

champagne hypocrites like Derek Hatton started the boredom for me,but the vocal minority today with their decades old grudges are super boring,their modern stance for intolerance and divisive hatred against anyone who does not conform to their rule book is uber boring and would be worrying except they have been insignificant for 30 years now.........i know who i have to thank for that!

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Seriously, stalin, pol pot, mao will also have appologists on the left. Millions killed in gulags and bamboo courts. I am not debating who was better, they were all evil, but why one is more acceptable than another. Totalitarianism is wrong and evil, and extreme anything is totalitarian. People like Wedgewood Ben are not extremists, he believed in his politics, Thatcher was not an extremist either. This is communist or fascist not socialist or capitalist.

You left out the left's darling boy Che Guevara.

A cold blooded murderer.

 

[HovaGirl]

Let's start at the beginning.

What do people here see as the ideology of The Left?

And, what do people here see as the ideology of The Right?

 

[Ex-Staffs Gull]

Let's start at the beginning.

What do people here see as the ideology of The Left?

And, what do people here see as the ideology of The Right?

I am not writing out the political ideaology of each but fundamentally

For left see socialism - e.g Democratic Socialist parties (Labour, Italian PD etc)

For right see capitalism - e.g Conservative Party, German CDU etc)

It has been argued Woodrow Wilson and Rooselvelt were Fascists, but in an accountable democracy, it does not in my view classify them in the same catagory as below

For Extremes

Far Left see Communism - i.e. USSR(1917-1992), China(1945-), Cambodia (1975-79), Cuba (1959-)

Far Right see Fascists - Nazi Germany(1933-45), Italy (1922-44), Francoist Spain (1936-75)

 

[pastafarian]

Let's start at the beginning.

What do people here see as the ideology of The Left?

And, what do people here see as the ideology of The Right?

add extreme to each section then it is a valid question

otherwise you just sound like Bill O`Reilly on a crap nothing better to do than moan tuesday night......because i have to!

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Let's start at the beginning.

What do people here see as the ideology of The Left?

And, what do people here see as the ideology of The Right?

Both want to control the state by coercing government/legislative power into controlling the masses along the lines of their own beliefs.

In the modern environment the left are far more of a threat to an individuals choice in regards to how they wish to live their lives than the modern right.