Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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I think he didn't think the wages were big enough, after West Ham gazumped us.
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[Albion] Ansu Fati **Signed On Loan 01/09**
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The Fits
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- Jun 29, 2020
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There's usually an initial fee, a monthly fee and then a contribution to wages. It might be we just paid them for his wages as they're skint and needed his wages off their annual bill.
Yes, exactly.
And my response - easy in hindsight - would have been 'give him what he wants', so we're covered for our Euro adventure.
And when we’d be negotiating with the agent of our next target, the response would be, ad infinitum:
“You gave Kudus a release clause. Give my player one or he goes to West Ham*”.
*Other clubs who are actively trying to gazump our transfer targets as their main recruitment strategy are available.
"Nope, sorry, we're Europa League champions. Things are different here now..."
Frustrating yesterday. Did some tidy things but it is so sad to watch a formally pacy, direct and exciting world class talent afraid to even take on a very average in talent and pace Nottingham Forest full back.
- Nov 15, 2006
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Just remember how long it took Lamptey to get back on form. Plenty on here were very happy for him to be transferred out at the end of last season and the beginning of this one as they had written him off in the same way as Fati is now being written off. Having faith in your body not to fail again after a nasty long term injury takes time and games. Sadly we don’t really have the time to get Fati up to his previous level. I wouldn’t be against him staying here another season.
Brian Fantana
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Lamptey looked much more of an attacking threat when he came on. I've been SO keen for the AF move to work out, but it just doesn't look like it will. He got injured at just the wrong time. Since coming back he has the look of someone not wanting to get injured again, knowing full well that he's got to go back to Barca for pre-season and fight for his future there.
This is a very fair point to make. Yes, he does look extremely lightweight and lacking in confidence, but look at Estupinan too. He looks miles off the pace at the moment and RDZ said last week that recovering from a serious muscle injury has taken more of an impact than expected in his recovery to match sharpness
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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Yesterday was the day when I decided we're better off without the fella.
I totally take your point about recovery from injury and young Ansu might go on to live up to his promise, but at the moment he is miles off where we need him to be.
He's also in effect our top earner. I'd much prefer that we develop our own players now. Yesterday, to me was a chance to get Barco minutes, get Enciso more match fitness.
I also wonder if there is a point about formations here. Ansu has come through at the Barca system where 4-3-3 is ingrained. He will have spent his young life learning how to play just to the left of a main striker, cutting inside and getting his shot away. At Brighton, we're asking the lad to get chalk on his boots, right out on the wing and get crosses in. Maybe it's just not for him
deletebeepbeepbeep
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- May 12, 2009
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He is a bit hopeless, another RDZ signing that hasn't worked out - hopefully he is learning that our recruitment team knows better than him,
But he was like this before his recent injury for us and Barca when he had been fit for well over a year. He wasn’t taking people on like he used to, always opting for the safe option. Barca loaned him to us hoping he would get over this mental block he has but it’s just not happened.
He’s talented and young enough to still have an amazing career but I do think he needs to adapt his game or focus on being an and out striker now like an Aguero as some of the little runs he makes are very good and he is a quality finisher. Unfortunately not many teams play with one of those anymore though. I’m just not sure he can offer enough at the top level starting deeper or on the wing if he’s not prepared to take people on.
Me too. But we have to accept he's not going to cut it. Looks very lightweight and surprisingly slow too.
There were a couple of times yesterday where he made errors you mostly see in the lower leagues like running the ball out of play and losing the ball easily. He has got talent but I can see him ending up going the Dele/Lingard route of not doing anything special and maybe ending up in Turkey or Saudi.
- Nov 11, 2009
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In theory I wouldn't be against him staying another season too, but in practice not sure.
Some of the figures I've seen bandied about were 7m loan fee? And wages well north of 7 figures?
If either of those are true I'd suggest he isn't good value for money, and accepting his previous injury I still reckon his overall performance levels are short of what the club and player had hoped?
If Ansu gets back to something resembling his best, then yes another year if possible, if its something broadly similar to now come seasons end, then the cost outweighs the risk he may come good in time.
Nobby Cybergoat
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I don't think we should take up another loan, even if one was on offer to us.
His injury record is so bad, what are the chances of him playing more than half of the season for us?
Barca are the ones who have given him a big contract. Let them worry about getting him fit and back in form. We have our own young players we want to bring through
Super Steve Earle
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I was absolutely buzzing when we signed Fati and I remember Paul Barber teasing a massive signing coming in. I so wanted Ansu to succeed and recover his astounding early career form, but it's just not coming. He certainly isn't showing the pace or the ball skills to play on the wing and last night Gross was frantically signalling him to stay wide. But he kept drifting inside, leaving Estupinan isolated when he too hasn't recovered his pre-injury rhythm. When Ansu comes inside, he just seems to run in to blind alleys and, if anything, he seems to be losing his physique, not building up. It just leaves me thinking the Premier League is too physical for him. I've been wrong about players before and maybe he is building up to a blistering end to the season, but I'm not convinced. If Barcelona need to trim costs and don't want him back, I'd still take him next season but if we are still working on his recovery programme, the terms would need to be dramatically better, because we aren't getting much value for money that could be better spent elsewhere.
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