[Albion] Another banning order.....

[doogie004]

Should show the vid on you tube of bha fans on netting after scoring v palace as said many times living in a nanny state where you can’t even fart anymore without some do gooder complaining .And some people on here want and atmosphere in the north lol no chance sit on hands and clap . What happened to the villa fans that were giving it the same , thought so nothing


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[Thunder Bolt]

I think there is the FBO imposed by the court, and then a potentially longer ban at the Albion's discretion.

The report doesn't mention a Football Banning Order (which has to be applied for) just a club ban.

The steward involved had to go to hospital for treatment, so it wasn't just a clunk around the head.

 

[Billy the Fish]

The report doesn't mention a Football Banning Order (which has to be applied for) just a club ban.

The steward involved had to go to hospital for treatment, so it wasn't just a clunk around the head.

It does, last paragraph is a quote from the majistrate:

m'lord

But magistrate Mark Durrell said: “This was a serious incident.

“We are going to issue a banning order. We believe you have caused or contributed to violence and disorder, and we are satisfied there are reasonable grounds that a ban would prevent violence and disorder.”

 

[portlock seagull]

The report doesn't mention a Football Banning Order (which has to be applied for) just a club ban.

The steward involved had to go to hospital for treatment, so it wasn't just a clunk around the head.

I fairness, everyone goes to hospital for treatment these days. Kids only scratch their knees and it’s a full on holly city emergency. Times we live in. Almost certainly the elbowed steward was simply discharged with a paracetamol. Think of the players who get elbowed far more seriously during matches. They never go to hospital. This incident just sounds a lot worse than almost certainly was, though still unacceptable it is a bit of storm in a teacup really.

 

[wealdgull]

If you're going to get wound up by away fans being away fans maybe don't sit near the away fans

It's alright, they're moving the kids there so it won't be a problem any more.

 

[Charlies Shinpad]

He is actually a nice lad
I've known him ,his dad and brother for twenty years.

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[Sheebo]

Ridiculous banning. Admitted he was out of order and accidentally knocked a steward (gender irrelevant) so why a banning order? You could clearly see Villa had a load of goading knob heads by that segregation and caused most of the ‘trouble’. And they had what 2 arrests? What he said was fair enough - why don’t they sort the villa fans out. Seen incidents like this thousands of time - another overreaction for me.

 

[Sheebo]

Yes. A Villa fan was also due in court yesterday, but can't see a report on his case.

https://www.brightonandhovealbion.c...-assault-on-steward-one-for-letting-off-flare

That doesn’t prove anything. Certainly didn’t ‘wade’ into the away end - they basically couldn’t as they would have put themselves in danger tbf. It was clear to see. These were separate incidents to the divide stuff [MENTION=21158]Weststander[/MENTION] was talking about.

 

[Sheebo]

This is all down to bad stewarding. From my seat in the North I could see Villa fans abusing and goading people across the segregation for most of the game, they've basically picked the easiest target rather than do anything about the bigger group of away fans.

It looks like this bloke has reacted to the abuse and then been singled out by the stewards for having a go back. He's obviously felt aggrieved and refused to go quietly when they chuck him out but let the Villa fans get away with it.

He made a stupid mistake by not just leaving when asked and he's paid a heavy price with a conviction for assault because someone got struck in the melee.

It's an unfortunate situation and someone has made some bad decisions, I'm not sure that warrants any personal abuse or making him out to be the scum of the earth.

Correct. Way too many are too judgemental on here and try to play the martyr...

 

[Bold Seagull]

Ridiculous banning. Admitted he was out of order and accidentally knocked a steward (gender irrelevant) so why a banning order? You could clearly see Villa had a load of goading knob heads by that segregation and caused most of the ‘trouble’. And they had what 2 arrests? What he said was fair enough - why don’t they sort the villa fans out. Seen incidents like this thousands of time - another overreaction for me.

So I don't get what the likes of you and [MENTION=12452]doogie004[/MENTION] want?

You say it's ridiculous, nanny state etc. but then want the away fans sorted out? Make your mind up whether there should be tolerance of the behaviour or not?

Think the biggest difference here is, as with most incidents that go further at football matches, is that when asked to stop by people in authority, whether stewards or police, is whether you choose to accept that instruction and stop. From what I've seen there is a relaxed attitude to fans goading each other generally, but try to cross over a barrier to confront them is going to trigger the stewards to take action - at any ground, happened at West Ham on Saturday. At that point in your enraged state you have a choice, 1. react to the steward in a reasonable way and say 'all right all right but why don't you tell that lot...okay I'm calm now...etc" or 2. tell the steward to **** off and inflame the situation.

That's what it boils down to. The fact is, there was enough stewarding tolerance to allow his behaviour to develop into an attempt to cross the netting in the first place.

I've also seen incidents like this a thousand times, but like Saturday as mentioned, when the West Ham numpty was told to get back to his seat by a steward he went, or at least didn't abuse the steward. And that is what mostly happens to be honest. That this escalated then physically resisted and kicked off when asked to leave, well in my experience of bars, clubs and anything else, you get barred. Always have done.

 

[Moshe Gariani]

Worth noting how families asked to be moved because of the language and behaviour. Next season the club have moved a family area to right next to the away fans!!!!

Paul Barber has assured me that there have been "very few" complaints about fan behaviour in that area of the ground over 9 years in The Amex - so there is nothing to worry about. Leave it to the experts.

 

[Megazone]

Doesn't anyone else find it ridiculously sad that some people not only feel some weird need to try and abuse the opposition fans, but to get so offended by them to the point of losing their temper and needing stewards to calm them down?

These must be those people who in their spare time need to do things like write bad online reviews of socks they've bought in Peacocks.

Someone really needs to convince this bloke to get out of Goring a bit more. I'm sure it'll help him.

 

[doogie004]

So I don't get what the likes of you and [MENTION=12452]doogie004[/MENTION] want?

You say it's ridiculous, nanny state etc. but then want the away fans sorted out? Make your mind up whether there should be tolerance of the behaviour or not?

Think the biggest difference here is, as with most incidents that go further at football matches, is that when asked to stop by people in authority, whether stewards or police, is whether you choose to accept that instruction and stop. From what I've seen there is a relaxed attitude to fans goading each other generally, but try to cross over a barrier to confront them is going to trigger the stewards to take action - at any ground, happened at West Ham on Saturday. At that point in your enraged state you have a choice, 1. react to the steward in a reasonable way and say 'all right all right but why don't you tell that lot...okay I'm calm now...etc" or 2. tell the steward to **** off and inflame the situation.

That's what it boils down to. The fact is, there was enough stewarding tolerance to allow his behaviour to develop into an attempt to cross the netting in the first place.

I've also seen incidents like this a thousand times, but like Saturday as mentioned, when the West Ham numpty was told to get back to his seat by a steward he went, or at least didn't abuse the steward. And that is what mostly happens to be honest. That this escalated then physically resisted and kicked off when asked to leave, well in my experience of bars, clubs and anything else, you get barred. Always have done.

I would like the same for all . As already stated they took the easy option . I say again have you seen the goading etc if bha fans on the netting at solar r on YouTube ? . Certainly do not except any violence of any sort against stewards female or male . Speaking to a few mates that sit in north and we’re telling me of when Grealish was attacking that end the vile abuse he got with every word and hand gesture you could think off . So what do you want a silent stadium ? Live in a nanny state or football banter . Life is changing as is going to footy not doll for the best though . Rugby fans sit in seats drinking beer , footy fans treated like scum . You reap what you sow


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[doogie004]

Paul Barber has assured me that there have been "very few" complaints about fan behaviour in that area of the ground over 9 years in The Amex - so there is nothing to worry about. Leave it to the experts.

Really looking forward to seeing how this one plays out also know a few families not happy with this one bit but hey as long as you can make barber and co more money happy days


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[Peter Grummit]

There is of course a simple solution.

Enclose the away fans in a soundproof perspex box. Minimises the goading and banter.

For them lot up the road, upgrade this to airtight. That'd reduce their average home attendance too, over time.

PG

 

[Bold Seagull]

I would like the same for all . As already stated they took the easy option . I say again have you seen the goading etc if bha fans on the netting at solar r on YouTube ? . Certainly do not except any violence of any sort against stewards female or male . Speaking to a few mates that sit in north and we’re telling me of when Grealish was attacking that end the vile abuse he got with every word and hand gesture you could think off . So what do you want a silent stadium ? Live in a nanny state or football banter . Life is changing as is going to footy not doll for the best though . Rugby fans sit in seats drinking beer , footy fans treated like scum . You reap what you sow

That is what I'm saying. The stewarding at the Amex is fairly relaxed, away fans goad the home and vice versa, even your video of the home fans on the netting, I expect once told to get back.....they did, no arrests, no further action. The football banter has been allowed to happen and does happen. Difference in this case....the guy abused a steward, probably more than one, got asked to leave, kicked off. As said no different to any other situation you might find yourself in if you kick off against stewards, bouncers, police etc.

Were any fans told not to abuse Grealish? No. (although I blame them for the goal as goading the opposition's best player has never worked well for us...). I don't want anyone ejected, and generally don't think they are, but if you have got out of hand and a steward asks you to calm down or stop, just take a breath, think for a split second.

This whole incident isn't about tolerance of fans having chants and abuse between each other, it's about a bloke who took it to far, and couldn't control himself when told as much.

 

[Megazone]

Life is changing as is going to footy not doll for the best though . Rugby fans sit in seats drinking beer , footy fans treated like scum . You reap what you sow


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and why do you think that might be?

Football fans (not all) in the 70's used to act like complete bellends who thought they were tough needing to be in a group of 50+ others to have a fight. They used to turn up to games and hope something kicked off more than in hope of an entertaining match. It makes sense not to allow people like that near alcohol. I really doubt they would been head strong enough to handle the stuff, especially in their seats.

Surely you can see now that they were just a bunch of kids stuck in adult bodies unable to figure out a healthy way of growing up and having fun. They thought having a fight knowing they had a big group of people behind them might make them look more of a man than what was going on in their heads.

Tough people just fight. They don't need all the pathetic bravado which comes with football fist wavers. These bellends just want people to presume they're tough, thats all it is. Its not them being brave, fearless and heroic. It's them piping up knowing they can't get too hurt considering the circumstance of the security and the pansies they're going to be pretending to fight with.

Football fans have come a long way since those days. The childish nature of these knobs has at long last been identified and not glorified by the modern day fans with most people just seeing them as clowns. God knows how there was so many of them back in the 70's but thank god the new generations of fans grew up and saw through the childlike entertainment these bell ends were hunting for.

 

[Weststander]

That doesn’t prove anything. Certainly didn’t ‘wade’ into the away end - they basically couldn’t as they would have put themselves in danger tbf. It was clear to see. These were separate incidents to the divide stuff [MENTION=21158]Weststander[/MENTION] was talking about.

Cheers, exactly.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Paul Barber has assured me that there have been "very few" complaints about fan behaviour in that area of the ground over 9 years in The Amex - so there is nothing to worry about. Leave it to the experts.

Experts done nothing but ruin the Amex meanwhile promoting the Customer experience
regards
DF

 

[Dr Bandler]

stupid devotion to Fred Nietzsche when Carl Popper's ideas are obviously superior.

....now this we may disagree about.