An outsider's observation...

[murraymints4brighton]

What a completely infuriating, patronising load of drivel that is. That ladies and gentleman is the sum of what happens when a complete and utter invalid tries to post a "level headed" post and completely goes off on one because they are an utter cretin. That has to be the worst post by a Palace fan yet. What inspired you to come on here and write that? Seriously? Just do one and return to your own message board and chat over how your team is punching above it's weight and will soon be far worse off than us by this time next year.

In a word, **** OFF

 

[Icy Gull]

. My wife is a season ticket holder at St Mary's - not a Brighton supporter at all - and she and her friends on Saturday said you offered no opposition at all.

I take it that you have disowned your wife and live in a different abode

Seriously, I have never heard of a couple who have season tickets with clubs in different cities. So I guess it's possible that you could head off to Wigan and your wife to QPR on a Saturday? Do you text each other scores and comments during the games?

 

[the wanderbus]

To be fair there are 32 games to go, That is a hell of a lot of defeats to suffer.

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[Left Footer]

He does have a point about us having a fair amount of deluded fans on here.
Some of the crap we come out with is mind blowing.

 

[Husty]

94 as in born in 1994? May I be one of the many to invite you to **** off.

 

[Seagull over Canaryland]

I take it that you have disowned your wife and live in a different abode

Seriously, I have never heard of a couple who have season tickets with clubs in different cities. So I guess it's possible that you could head off to Wigan and your wife to QPR on a Saturday? Do you text each other scores and comments during the games?

A work colleague and his wife support Everton and Liverpool respectively (they are genuine Scousers, so not plastics) and she has an ST for Anfield. I recall her going to Istanbul for the Champs League when they won that epic final a few years back and him saying how unbearable she was for months after. Doesn't sound like a receipe for domestic bliss.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Afternoon. Palace season ticket holder here and occasional reader of NSC. Never felt the urge to register and post until now but something has been really bugged me the last few days so I could not resist! Let me elaborate...

Obviously you're finding it tough going this year in The Championship and being a Palace fan I can't help but get a sense of about it, especially as most of you predicted a top 6 finish at the start of the season. Not only have you made a poor start but now with the loss of your only decent striker in Ulloa, I feel you will struggle big time and you could now get caught up in a relegation battle this year if you're not careful.

However reading The Big Board these past few days, I can't help but find a lot of the comments unrealistic...in fact, they're down-right deluded! It seems that some of you have given up on this season already in terms of promotion which is fair enough but many of you seem to think along the lines that "Next year will be our year" "Give Oscar a season to build and then promotion next season" etc etc. I'd honestly can't understand why you think this? Who honestly buys into this "we're taking our time to slowly build up the best squad to get us promoted" crap that you keep coming out with?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that your 4 best players are your keeper, Matt Upson, Liam Bridcutt and Ulloa. If you fail to go up this year then surely you have no chance of keeping Kuszczak, Ulloa and Bridcutt and Upson will be 35/36 next season and on his last legs as a Championship defender. You also have a huge debt currently and FFP will see the purse strings tightened even more in the coming years so I can't see quality replacments coming in. You only have to look at your budget signings this season. Average playes like Conway on loan and poor free transfer signings like Kemy Agustein.

It seems that a lot are deluded on here but maybe i'm wrong and they can explain or elaborate there opinion on this thread. So my question is this...being realistic, how do you think you will do in the next 2-3 given what I have said above seems very much reality?

To quote Eagle94:

 

[rool]

It's too easy...Light blue touchpaper and stand well back

 

[Uncle C]

ignore list

 

[Bozza]

A lot of football supporters are hopeless optimists (or 'deluded' as you put it). A lot are also complete doom-mongers. Many are largely rational and sit in between.

We have all three sorts, Palace will have all three sorts as will Manchester United. Every team will, in fact. It's just part of football culture.

It's a bit strange you've not figured that out by now though.

 

[Buckley's Mad Eye]

Afternoon. Palace season ticket holder here and occasional reader of NSC. Never felt the urge to register and post until now but something has been really bugged me the last few days so I could not resist! Let me elaborate...

Obviously you're finding it tough going this year in The Championship and being a Palace fan I can't help but get a sense of about it, especially as most of you predicted a top 6 finish at the start of the season. Not only have you made a poor start but now with the loss of your only decent striker in Ulloa, I feel you will struggle big time and you could now get caught up in a relegation battle this year if you're not careful.

However reading The Big Board these past few days, I can't help but find a lot of the comments unrealistic...in fact, they're down-right deluded! It seems that some of you have given up on this season already in terms of promotion which is fair enough but many of you seem to think along the lines that "Next year will be our year" "Give Oscar a season to build and then promotion next season" etc etc. I'd honestly can't understand why you think this? Who honestly buys into this "we're taking our time to slowly build up the best squad to get us promoted" crap that you keep coming out with?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that your 4 best players are your keeper, Matt Upson, Liam Bridcutt and Ulloa. If you fail to go up this year then surely you have no chance of keeping Kuszczak, Ulloa and Bridcutt and Upson will be 35/36 next season and on his last legs as a Championship defender. You also have a huge debt currently and FFP will see the purse strings tightened even more in the coming years so I can't see quality replacments coming in. You only have to look at your budget signings this season. Average playes like Conway on loan and poor free transfer signings like Kemy Agustein.

It seems that a lot are deluded on here but maybe i'm wrong and they can explain or elaborate there opinion on this thread. So my question is this...being realistic, how do you think you will do in the next 2-3 given what I have said above seems very much reality?

We'll be in the PL, you'll be in league 1.

 

[Hamilton]

I thought it was a really good post. I am now so depressed at our future and will hand back my season ticket. The next 2/3 years? I see us in the conference in 4.

Thanks for your post. It has helped me see the light.

 

[Icy Gull]

A lot of football supporters are hopeless optimists (or 'deluded' as you put it). A lot are also complete doom-mongers. Many are largely rational and sit in between.

We have all three sorts, Palace will have all three sorts as will Manchester United. Every team will, in fact. It's just part of football culture.

It's a bit strange you've not figured that out by now though.

Step too far there ,Manchester United fans have no idea what losing regularly is like, well they hadn't for 20 odd years until this season. Any doom mongers must only have surfaced in the last month surely.

 

[Stato]

You also have a huge debt currently and FFP will see the purse strings tightened even more in the coming years so I can't see quality replacments coming in.

There is an interesting fact about FFP which seems to be overlooked by a lot of fans of other teams and that is that....

It doesn't just apply to Brighton.

What will happen as FFP bites is that all clubs will have to cut their cloth according to how much income they can make. Income can come from TV money and from Premiership failure payments, but sustainable income comes from attendances, marketing, merchandise and selling on home developed players. Success in these areas will, over the long term, give the best chance of success on the pitch. The authorities want to encourage sustainable growth. This is presumably why capital costs on stadiums and academies (which makes up most of our 'huge debt') are not part of the FFP calculation.

The 'delusion' to which you refer is partly the ever optimistic viewpoint of football fans, but more concretely, it is based upon the trust of the fans in a chairman who is a very astute businessman and who is putting all the foundations in place to acheive long term, sustainable success.

Regardless of whether we lose Bridcutt, or fail to get promoted this year, we know that Tony Bloom is building something which will eventually bring sustained success. This may make us sound a bit smug and complacent, but its hard not to if you believe that your club is doing things the right way.

Incidentally, if I was a fan of your shower, I would much prefer that the rewards for your fluke season were being ploughed into acheiving Category A status for the academy and building a ground that will bring in customers, instead of being frittered away on a hopeless attempt at staying in the top league. And before you argue that you will have a team to push for promotion next year, by your reasoning, if you don't stay up, all your best players will be moving on anyway.

 

[nwgull]

Thanks for that. It's always good to get an outsider's opinion. My outsider's opinion of your team would be that despite signing 132 new players on high wages and joke transfer fees, you've not strengthened your squad since last year. In fact with the loss of Zaha I'd say that you're actually weaker than last season and completely out of your depth. Brighton have lost a load of players through injury in the first couple of months, but, unlike you, we can realistically look forward to the return of 4 of our best players after the next 6 games (two of whom that you tried and failed to sign) and still have a go at the top 6 during the remaining 30.

 

[Seagull over Canaryland]

Ok we may have had a wobbly start to this season but given the upheaval at the Club, a new manager trying to find his feet and now the worst run of injuries I can recall we doing relatively ok. Look at the big picture we are still mid-table in the Championship, 35 games left to play for, have an amazing stadium, 23k STs plus 4 of our best players yet to return from injury, and a brand new training complex opening shortly, so things could be a hell of a lot worse.

Plus the supposed debts are merely being converted into shares because Tony Bloom and his family (40+ years of involvement in the Club, so not JCLs like CPFC 2010) have been and continue to be fans and in it for the long haul, not a quick buck. He is building for a long term future, working hard to reign in costs and create financial stability under FFP rather than living off someone else's money like Palace are. If the Prem money suddenly disappears (remember ITV?) then Palace will be toast, where as we will be lean and mean under FFP.

When I want cheering up I think what sort of hell it must be like to be a Palace fan on and off the pitch and rapidly realise just how lucky I am to support The Albion.

 

[clippedgull]

He does have a point about us having a fair amount of deluded fans on here.
Some of the crap we come out with is mind blowing.

Fair comment! But every football forum in the world has deluded fans!

 

[chucky1973]

A lot of football supporters are hopeless optimists (or 'deluded' as you put it). A lot are also complete doom-mongers. Many are largely rational and sit in between.

We have all three sorts, Palace will have all three sorts as will Manchester United. Every team will, in fact. It's just part of football culture.

It's a bit strange you've not figured that out by now though.

he wont have understood a single word you wrote, so no chance.

 

[Brighton Mod]

Its an interesting enough post particularly that someone from outside our fan base has identified that there is a drift of resignation to us writing off this season to build for next. I remember many posts at the back of last season with some refering to our five year plan so it doesn't matter that we don't make it this year as if the five year plan was written in stone. Too many apologists amongst Brighton fans who would rather have ' good football' than results. There are some that need to 'man up' on here, we should push for everything we want and from now and that means winning as many games as possible irrespective of how we play. Palace took their chance last year and are taking their chances this year and we should remember that it is them that are playing manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City et al and not ourselves. If they come down at the end of next season so be it, but they will be financially better off than us and seen more top class teams than we have. WE missed promotion last year due to one key factor and that was the manager, as he had the squad, board and fan base to get us there. Finally much to his shagrin he was outwitted buy 'Wurzel' a bad night only surpassed for me when England lost to Germany in the 1970 Mexico World Cup.

The OP may be a Palace fan but he does make a very good point.

 

[Taybha]

Smashing , another chance to use this .. .. .. ..