[Albion] An olive branch to the Hurtz outs tonight

[CheeseRolls]

There were so many things wrong with the Forest defeat. I wasn't certain they could be put right and I think Hürzeler handled it badly on the day, but in the space of three games we have seen,

Players return to fitness in key positions notably central midfield.​

Lamptey has demonstrated he is not a complete liability at left back and has deputised admirably​

Georginio and Jao Pedro have shown they can form an effective partnership, all be it against an inept Southampton​

Webster is back to his best​

Verbruggen has not let a couple of costly errors undermine his confidence and performance​

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Hürzeler has I think survived his first mini crisis. If we can put together a few good results in the coming weeks, he will have emerged stronger from it and the public vote of confidence from Rutter and Minteh at the end of the game yesterday, is a good sign of things to come.

 

[ConfusedGloryHunter]

There were so many things wrong with the Forest defeat. I wasn't certain they could be put right and I think Hürzeler handled it badly on the day, but in the space of three games we have seen,

Players return to fitness in key positions notably central midfield.​

Lamptey has demonstrated he is not a complete liability at left back and has deputised admirably​

Georginio and Jao Pedro have shown they can form an effective partnership, all be it against an inept Southampton​

Webster is back to his best​

Verbruggen has not let a couple of costly errors undermine his confidence and performance​

​

Hürzeler has I think survived his first mini crisis. If we can put together a few good results in the coming weeks, he will have emerged stronger from it and the public vote of confidence from Rutter and Minteh at the end of the game yesterday, is a good sign of things to come.

Don't forget his masterstroke of playing a couple of rubbish teams!

 

[bhadebenhams]

It's quite odd that anyone should want to sack a manager of a team 9th in the PL

Dick TIGHT sacked Dean (girlie SIGH) Wilkins when the Albion were 7th (SEVENTH) and the club has only gone backwards since. Dean showed at SoutHampton when he was manager just how good he was as he had (One Hundred Per Cent) record which shows how good he is.

Dick Tight OUT

 

[Professor Plum]

I’ve always been Fab in, and intend staying Fab in. But it worries me that the sort of wild kneejerkery we saw after the poor run of results seems to be happening again but in the opposite direction, now that we’ve had a good sequence. Is it too much to ask that we stay rational and measured and just accept something that all of us, surely, know — that football is unpredictable, and that every single season ever has seen not just Albion but pretty much every club have good spells and bad spells?

If I’m not screaming angrily after a defeat or bouncing euphorically after a win, apparently I "just don’t get it". Well just maybe it’s me who does get it, and the brawlers and squealers who need to recalibrate their emotions a little. Don’t get me wrong, I’m despondent after a loss and very happy after a win. But I don’t want to pull the house down after a poor run, nor to erect statues after we win a few. For most football clubs, wherever you are now, you’ll soon be going in the other direction for a while. It’s how it works.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

Don't forget his masterstroke of playing a couple of rubbish teams!

We've played plenty if "rubbish" teams and come away with little or no return in recent years. Thrashing Chelsea and Saints, and restricting them to one shot on target between them, still takes some doing.

 

[oldboyroy]

tbf if we lose to Bournemouth it's no concern. We're back to looking like a team.

Agree. Will be disappointed if we lost against Muff (as after any loss) but we've seen the lads respond and they will again (again, if we do lose).

 

[chaileyjem]

Is it too much to ask that we stay rational and measured

Don’t get me wrong, I’m despondent after a loss and very happy after a win. But I don’t want to pull the house down after a poor run, nor to erect statues after we win a few.

Agreed. But Also worth putting the form into context - 2 defeats in 12 since losing to Palace. 6 wins in the last 8, 6 defeats in 26 in the whole PL season
And Wins v Newcastle, City, United (twice), Chelsea (twice), Bournemouth, and undefeated v Arsenal and Villa.

 

[Anger]

It hurz people to admit when they’re wrong.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

But he has won more than he has lost ?

In fact only Liverpool and Arsenal have lost less games than us

Hardly a knee jerk reaction

Junior greets the olive branch by waving a chain saw.
Who could possible have anticipated that?

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

Agreed. But Also worth putting the form into context - 2 defeats in 12 since losing to Palace. 6 wins in the last 8, 6 defeats in 26 in the whole PL season
And Wins v Newcastle, City, United (twice), Chelsea (twice), Bournemouth, and undefeated v Arsenal and Villa.

I wish I could "double like" a post. Many people seem to be forgetting this.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It's quite odd that anyone should want to sack a manager of a team 9th in the PL

It is quit odd to hanker for Johnson, Sunak and even Truss.

But people do......

 

[Guinness Boy]

Who was the poster that originally extended the fabled ‘olive branch’ ?

There’s a clue on my post above yours.

Also known as Vaginabond.

 

[huzzah]

I’ve always been Fab in, and intend staying Fab in. But it worries me that the sort of wild kneejerkery we saw after the poor run of results seems to be happening again but in the opposite direction, now that we’ve had a good sequence. Is it too much to ask that we stay rational and measured and just accept something that all of us, surely, know — that football is unpredictable, and that every single season ever has seen not just Albion but pretty much every club have good spells and bad spells?

If I’m not screaming angrily after a defeat or bouncing euphorically after a win, apparently I "just don’t get it". Well just maybe it’s me who does get it, and the brawlers and squealers who need to recalibrate their emotions a little. Don’t get me wrong, I’m despondent after a loss and very happy after a win. But I don’t want to pull the house down after a poor run, nor to erect statues after we win a few. For most football clubs, wherever you are now, you’ll soon be going in the other direction for a while. It’s how it works.

The most powerful law in statistics is regression to the mean, and it helps explain why the "hot hand" fallacy feels real despite being statistically unsound. This is the reason for the Sports Illustrated or Manager of the Month Curse. Our perception is skewed by the law of small numbers – how we interpret limited data points.

Consider this: If we played 5 games daily instead of once weekly we would have a much better feel of where we really are, e.g. todays sequence would be LLWWW and might make us think we're upper mid-table. But looking at the whole weeks results: WWDDD, LWWDL, WWDLD, LDDDD, WWLLW, W, we'd conclude we're solidly mid-table.
We could rearrange these same results as WWWWW, WWWWW, DDDDD, DDDDD, LLLLL, L – making it appear we're on a terrible run or, in reverse, an amazing streak. Yet the points total remains identical.

If you had to place a bet on regression to the mean or an improvement the smart money is always on regression to the mean.

We only have a sample size 26 data points this season, so we are still in the realm of the law of small numbers. The more results you have the better idea we have. Obviously, also, there are a lot of confounding variables. The result stats tell me we are a mid table team, the xg stats tell me we are teetering on CL places.

large data can also show trends. If I look at the 50+ seasons I have been alive the mean stats are not representative of the current moment, but the trend line maybe.

I think my point is: you win some you lose some, I hope we win more, because watching us playing in Europe was aces.

(in other news I failed my stats exam at university so take everything I say with a giant pinch of salt - however, there were mitigating circumstances - the class was at 8 am. what time is that to have a class where you have to think)

 

[Coldeanseagull]

As I've stated before, I reserve the right to change my views with the wind...or tide...or moon phases...

 

[Justice]

Is it too much to ask that we stay rational and measured

Are you new here?

 

[ConfusedGloryHunter]

We've played plenty if "rubbish" teams and come away with little or no return in recent years. Thrashing Chelsea and Saints, and restricting them to one shot on target between them, still takes some doing.

I thought the emoji would signify I was just being a silly moo?

 

[OzMike]

Back on the fence for now.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

The most powerful law in statistics is regression to the mean, and it helps explain why the "hot hand" fallacy feels real despite being statistically unsound. This is the reason for the Sports Illustrated or Manager of the Month Curse. Our perception is skewed by the law of small numbers – how we interpret limited data points.

Consider this: If we played 5 games daily instead of once weekly we would have a much better feel of where we really are, e.g. todays sequence would be LLWWW and might make us think we're upper mid-table. But looking at the whole weeks results: WWDDD, LWWDL, WWDLD, LDDDD, WWLLW, W, we'd conclude we're solidly mid-table.
We could rearrange these same results as WWWWW, WWWWW, DDDDD, DDDDD, LLLLL, L – making it appear we're on a terrible run or, in reverse, an amazing streak. Yet the points total remains identical.

If you had to place a bet on regression to the mean or an improvement the smart money is always on regression to the mean.

We only have a sample size 26 data points this season, so we are still in the realm of the law of small numbers. The more results you have the better idea we have. Obviously, also, there are a lot of confounding variables. The result stats tell me we are a mid table team, the xg stats tell me we are teetering on CL places.

large data can also show trends. If I look at the 50+ seasons I have been alive the mean stats are not representative of the current moment, but the trend line maybe.

I think my point is: you win some you lose some, I hope we win more, because watching us playing in Europe was aces.

(in other news I failed my stats exam at university so take everything I say with a giant pinch of salt - however, there were mitigating circumstances - the class was at 8 am. what time is that to have a class where you have to think)

Mmmmm. Stat porn. Thanks.

Two of the big variables I suspect will be bench strength and squad depth.

My expectation is that some teams will start to struggle because either they don't have enough equivalent talent on their bench and/or they will struggle with injuries, especially those in Europe/Cups.

It feels (not scientific) that our injuries are coming back into the squad, which could insulate us from the above a little.

We'll see. But there will be some teams unexpectedly dropping off the pace for sure.

 

[jcdenton08]

It's quite odd that anyone should want to sack a manager of a team 9th in the PL

Football fans are mental. Leicester fans were desperate to get Cooper out, now look at them. A large percentage of Arsenal fans want Arteta out, and they’re second.

As I said in another thread, it’s quite useful to me when posters here show their true colours because you can just block them and not look back.

If their reaction to a heavy defeat with the club in the top half of the flippin’ Premier League is to want the manager gone then why would I want their views on anything important. Or anything at all.

 

[Anger]

The most powerful law in statistics is regression to the mean, and it helps explain why the "hot hand" fallacy feels real despite being statistically unsound. This is the reason for the Sports Illustrated or Manager of the Month Curse. Our perception is skewed by the law of small numbers – how we interpret limited data points.

Consider this: If we played 5 games daily instead of once weekly we would have a much better feel of where we really are, e.g. todays sequence would be LLWWW and might make us think we're upper mid-table. But looking at the whole weeks results: WWDDD, LWWDL, WWDLD, LDDDD, WWLLW, W, we'd conclude we're solidly mid-table.
We could rearrange these same results as WWWWW, WWWWW, DDDDD, DDDDD, LLLLL, L – making it appear we're on a terrible run or, in reverse, an amazing streak. Yet the points total remains identical.

If you had to place a bet on regression to the mean or an improvement the smart money is always on regression to the mean.

We only have a sample size 26 data points this season, so we are still in the realm of the law of small numbers. The more results you have the better idea we have. Obviously, also, there are a lot of confounding variables. The result stats tell me we are a mid table team, the xg stats tell me we are teetering on CL places.

large data can also show trends. If I look at the 50+ seasons I have been alive the mean stats are not representative of the current moment, but the trend line maybe.

I think my point is: you win some you lose some, I hope we win more, because watching us playing in Europe was aces.

(in other news I failed my stats exam at university so take everything I say with a giant pinch of salt - however, there were mitigating circumstances - the class was at 8 am. what time is that to have a class where you have to think)

Yeah. That’s what I was thinking.