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[Football] American invasion of the Premier League - the end of promotion/relegation?
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sydney
tinky ****in winky
just seen this ...!! i'll just chime in with Fark Chel$a....thats about it for the moment dthbh.
That's a childish and offensive post.
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Its the kind of reply you might get if you call me a apologist genocidal fascist, especially while at the same time always sticking up for a genocidal fascist country
Try calling someone "apologist genocidal fascist" on the street and see if the response you get is "offensive" or not.
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herecomesaregular
We're in the pipe, 5 by 5
You've written some drivel on here but this is your best yet. It's a shame your obsession with Potter seems to have moved on to an obsession with NSC.
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Not surprised by the reaction here.
The West, and the US in particular, causing as much death and destruction as the countries and leaders you hate is always a sensitive subject, and since it is a irrefutable fact no one can argue against it and have to resort to calling someone "childish" or saying they're "apologist genocidal fascists".
Popeye
I Don't Exercise
The USA is far from perfect, no country is. But I ****ing hate when people stereotype us and think we are all the same. Moronic, and yes ****ing childish. In a general sense, I don't care if people like us 'Yanks' or not, that's their problem not mine. But do not stereotype me and straight out bad mouth my country when you don't even live over here and for that matter never even damn visited before.
Well said.
I've worked for American companies before and we have a US division in my current one. Met loads of really great people, and very different people both physically and virtually. None of them are the sort who are about to invade Iraq or commit a mass shooting or something. Am also going to enjoy my NFL tonight on Game Pass before flying to Vegas tomorrow. Can't wait.
For those complaining about the direction of the thread, perhaps consider the intention and hyperbole around the phrase "American invasion of the Premier League", a term later used by the same poster in a different context. Little wonder the OP hated being called out.
You could have had exactly the same debate about closed shop leagues using something like "foreign takeover" which would have been more accurate.
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You're obviously not all the same, I don't think anyone has said that.
Just like people don't refer to every Russian when they're bad mouthing Russia or not everyone from North Korea when they're bad mouthing North Korea, it must still be possible to criticise US actions in different countries by referring to the United States as the United States.
It seems perfectly logical to assume American owners will try to maximise profits and will look to the leagues they grew up with for inspiration. I don't see promotion/relegation ending any time soon but the ESL proposal showed us it's not some abstract threat.
The suggestion that American owners may not have entirely altruistic plans does not imply that they alone are the baddies.
The suggestion that American owners may not have entirely altruistic plans does not imply that they alone are the baddies.
.....or when Saudi Arabia starts messing around with Yemen .......................
....oh.
Oh by the way, you're all wrong on everything, which is nice. 
Foreign ownership will not lead to a closed shop.
There's more of a chance foreign ownership will lead to promotion and relegation in America than it leading to a closed shop in England.
Now sure right now we're saying, it'll never happen here - so let's say 1% chance.
While I'm saying it is more likely the reverse will happen there - I'm only giving it a 2%.
I firmly believe our 1% will remain 1%, but ever so slowly that 2% will grow.
As it is now, the concept gets discussed at the end of the basketball season - then dismissed, but crucially it is discussed.
Both basketball and baseball have flabby leagues and more importantly a minor league structure.
Every season a percentage of teams tank.
So every season a percentage of games are played as if they were preseason friendlies in front of minimal crowds, no TV audience, no national coverage, no advertising revenue.
How would the attendances at t'AMEX look if in mid February we were guaranteed to finish 17th with no cup run, for the next 5 seasons?
Now for the really random bit - it's a change that may well be driven by North Wales.
The huge success of Welcome To Wrexham, over there, will finally bring the concept to average Joe and with the exception of their own 'big 6's' they are soon going to stop laughing off the discussion.
The NFL doesn't have the structure but it does have an operating budget which is soon to be bigger than the UK's and cities prepared to pay a kings ransom for a new franchise.
They could double the league, (60 teams 3x20 divisions) overnight, and turn a profit at the same time.
I don't think there's a bigger national stereotype misrepresentation than that of Americans.
Happy, chatty, helpful, interested, generous, never really seems to get a mention when talking about the gun toting, Bible bashing, baby killing crackheads.
Foreign ownership will not lead to a closed shop.
There's more of a chance foreign ownership will lead to promotion and relegation in America than it leading to a closed shop in England.
Now sure right now we're saying, it'll never happen here - so let's say 1% chance.
While I'm saying it is more likely the reverse will happen there - I'm only giving it a 2%.
I firmly believe our 1% will remain 1%, but ever so slowly that 2% will grow.
As it is now, the concept gets discussed at the end of the basketball season - then dismissed, but crucially it is discussed.
Both basketball and baseball have flabby leagues and more importantly a minor league structure.
Every season a percentage of teams tank.
So every season a percentage of games are played as if they were preseason friendlies in front of minimal crowds, no TV audience, no national coverage, no advertising revenue.
How would the attendances at t'AMEX look if in mid February we were guaranteed to finish 17th with no cup run, for the next 5 seasons?
Now for the really random bit - it's a change that may well be driven by North Wales.
The huge success of Welcome To Wrexham, over there, will finally bring the concept to average Joe and with the exception of their own 'big 6's' they are soon going to stop laughing off the discussion.
The NFL doesn't have the structure but it does have an operating budget which is soon to be bigger than the UK's and cities prepared to pay a kings ransom for a new franchise.
They could double the league, (60 teams 3x20 divisions) overnight, and turn a profit at the same time.
I don't think there's a bigger national stereotype misrepresentation than that of Americans.
Happy, chatty, helpful, interested, generous, never really seems to get a mention when talking about the gun toting, Bible bashing, baby killing crackheads.
- Jun 27, 2012
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Wage Caps, drafts of young talent , equal distribution of TV revenue and competitive leagues where multiple teams have a chance of winning. Every year. Does European football have that ?
Icy Gull
Back on the rollercoaster
- Jul 5, 2003
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We need to get rid of the top six to have any chance of pushing that through? I wish they’d do what they were suggesting and potter off to Europe. (No pun intended)
The Lemming Stomper
Under the flag
And the Albion never getting to the Premier League...
Good news if you're an Oldham Athletic fan though
It won't need it if the English copy the American system. Because all the best players will be in Europe, earning much more money, and appearing on global TV in competitions for which no English club would ever qualify again.
I'm no free market swivel-eyed right wing loony. [MENTION=21158]Weststander[/MENTION] knows me as a class warrior communist member of the Stasi. However, American domestic sport was captured and owned by America's own capitalist monoculture decades ago, and they own the whole game, can make the rules, and they play sports that no bugger else in the world plays (except the likes of Japan who have copied some of them). It works for them. The only think they need to sell to the rest of us is the TV rights (and I gather there is a following for 'grid iron' football even among NSCers - hope you're having fun, lads).
But attempting to change the whole game of association football in England in pursuit of an imagined 'fairness' in a system and structure entirely different from the American domestic equivalents, for a sport that is NOT just English and not just played mainly by the English, or in England, or owned mainly by the English, but which owes its success in part to being in a EUFA and FIFA system is....never, never, ever, ever going to happen.
All the while it makes money the biggest threat to English football (and European football - inextricably inked) will be maverick super leaguery. If we can beat back the mavericks then we can let the game evolve more gently. Until Americans own Barcelona, the Madrids, the Milans, Bayern Munich, Man City, and PSG they have no leverage. They have made a start with ManU, Chelsea and Liverpool, but only two of these clubs have any real clout outside England. And in any case, European clubs are never going to follow any initiatives emanating from the UK, even if fronted by American owners. The chances of European clubs lining up behond an English initiative (even if American fronted) is on a par with them co-opting Johnson as the next EU president. Or Farrage.
Nothing but anti-American paranoia to see here, and no virtue in supporting an imaginary draft system that would come in if the Americans took over European (as it would have to be) football, which will never happen.
Apart from that, I'm with you, bro'
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Whether the average Joe in a America is a gun-waving looney (some of their 330 million might be) or a nice, chatty bloke (some of their 330 might be) or if you think their various governments bombs freedom & love into the world or just strives bombs for dominance - both of these things are largely irrelevant. The American guys in the PL are not the average Joe, they're multibillionaires the whole lot, something that won't be achieved without having the attitude and personality of someone who can make that kind of money.
The question, rather than America good/bad, to figure out things should be: "what would make the most money with the least amount of risk?". And thats where my theory of promotion/relegation possibly getting scrapped comes in. If the Amex would be filled or empty in February with a guaranteed rock bottom place is largely irrelevant, because the money isn't in attendance.
As for "why do you point out the Americans" thing, it is because there's more of them than from any other nationality among PL owners, and unlike eg the desert boys, they're also showing an active interest in the direction of the sport. The Saudis and Abudhabians are quite simply unlikely to come up with any spectacular ideas because they don't know anything about football (and are well aware, hence leaving over the operation of their clubs to those who know something) and they're also very unlikely to give a shit if there's money or not to make from All Star games, cheerleaders or changing the promotion/relegation system. They're not in it for the money, whereas people working with sports investments are.
The question, rather than America good/bad, to figure out things should be: "what would make the most money with the least amount of risk?". And thats where my theory of promotion/relegation possibly getting scrapped comes in. If the Amex would be filled or empty in February with a guaranteed rock bottom place is largely irrelevant, because the money isn't in attendance.
As for "why do you point out the Americans" thing, it is because there's more of them than from any other nationality among PL owners, and unlike eg the desert boys, they're also showing an active interest in the direction of the sport. The Saudis and Abudhabians are quite simply unlikely to come up with any spectacular ideas because they don't know anything about football (and are well aware, hence leaving over the operation of their clubs to those who know something) and they're also very unlikely to give a shit if there's money or not to make from All Star games, cheerleaders or changing the promotion/relegation system. They're not in it for the money, whereas people working with sports investments are.
Good points. Yes, I can imagine this is what the American owners want, for the reasons you outline. And, yes, to stop this coming to pass will require the other owners to stand against it.
Possibly interesting times ahead.