American Health care.

[lasvegan]

OK,with you so far. Now this is the stupid question dunce why not a Nhs style of health care ? Or is there to much money to be made in peole being sick ? That is what is seems like.

Because a government run health care system would be infinitely worse than the system that is already in place.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Why should that be ? I know the Nhs has it,s problems like any Hm Govt department over manning non essential staff/waste etc. please explain why is their system better ?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Because a government run health care system would be infinitely worse than the system that is already in place.

I am sure it is great, if you can afford it.

Perhaps the US should follow the Cuban model.

 

[clapham_gull]

OK,with you so far. Now this is the stupid question dunce why not a Nhs style of health care ? Or is there to much money to be made in peole being sick ? That is what is seems like.

What I found quite interesting about the USA is the strong feeling amongst a large portion of the population that centrally funded health care is something evil.

Quite how it gets equated to Socialist (and even Communist) ways of thinking must appear strange to us Europeans.

I seem to recall that whilst Reagan was still an actor he recorded an advert for the republicans warning people about the dangers of allowing the Government to take control of their health because it was the start of slippery slope towards something nasty.

Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[auschr]

i suppose so. health insurance companies are one of the few remaining massive lobby groups in government. they will gladly spend billions just to insure a NHS type thing doesn't happen. if you run a company that employs more than 20 you are obliged to offer health/dental options to your workers. as with the general public the ones that don't have health insurance are poor / unemployed and it's easy to just say get a job you lazy sponges, etc.

also more importantly Americans are much more paranoid of their government. you get fantasist too busy obsessing over the end of the world and how to survive, how the new world order is going to control everyone. blah blah blah. most Americans trust companies over government for important things. Most politicians don't do themselves enough favors to try to show Americans they aren't bad because they are constantly ineffectual. with a recent supreme court case passed last week which has allowed companies a new level of lobbying politicians with unlimited amounts of money, a new corpocracy is truly here.

 

[Helter]

I believe measures have been taken to stop that sort of practice.

Just like Labour saying they’ve taken measures to tighten our boarders. It’s all spin and the sad thing about it is, is people like you believe it.

 

[clapham_gull]

Just like Labour saying they’ve taken measures to tighten our boarders. It’s all spin and the sad thing about it is, is people like you believe it.

Where did you get the billions figure from ?

 

[clapham_gull]

i suppose so. health insurance companies are one of the few remaining massive lobby groups in government. they will gladly spend billions just to insure a NHS type thing doesn't happen. if you run a company that employs more than 20 you are obliged to offer health/dental options to your workers. as with the general public the ones that don't have health insurance are poor / unemployed and it's easy to just say get a job you lazy sponges, etc.

also more importantly Americans are much more paranoid of their government. you get fantasist too busy obsessing over the end of the world and how to survive, how the new world order is going to control everyone. blah blah blah. most Americans trust companies over government for important things. Most politicians don't do themselves enough favors to try to show Americans they aren't bad because they are constantly ineffectual. with a recent supreme court case passed last week which has allowed companies a new level of lobbying politicians with unlimited amounts of money, a new corpocracy is truly here.

I was about to say too many vested interests over there...

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Just like Labour saying they’ve taken measures to tighten our boarders. It’s all spin and the sad thing about it is, is people like you believe it.

I was not saying that the scheme was a success. I was merely pointing out that they are not willingly inviting people over to have a free operation and then paying for their flight home.

I was not aiming to get all politico as I am far from being a fan of the current government.

This is interesting...

BBC NEWS | Health | Eligibility checks 'are not done'

 

[auschr]

I was about to say too many vested interests over there...

pretty much. spend a few billion of helping car companies, not a problem. spend a few billion on helping people with medical coverage, get Barrack "Saddam" Hussein Pol Pot Stalin Obuma out of office. interest groups for both parties just really damages US politics and always has, sadly. sadly the whole us government is a mess, but isn't it always?

 

[Helter]

I was not saying that the scheme was a success. I was merely pointing out that they are not willingly inviting people over to have a free operation and then paying for their flight home.

I was not aiming to get all politico as I am far from being a fan of the current government.

This is interesting...

BBC NEWS | Health | Eligibility checks 'are not done'

Yes it is interesting and makes my blood boil. The government are spinning again, they act tough but in reality they are allowing this practice to continue as they dam well know these foreign nationals are entitled for free treatment as it’ll infringe their human rights. The Labour party like to sound tough with statements but behind the scenes it’s still an open house.

 

[beorhthelm]

Why should that be ? I know the Nhs has it,s problems like any Hm Govt department over manning non essential staff/waste etc. please explain why is their system better ?

thats rather the point, their system isnt better. its just more capitalist. and take care to note the US isnt trying to replicate the NHS, that would be dumb today. we wouldnt replicate the NHS if starting today, i dont think any country could afford to.

What I found quite interesting about the USA is the strong feeling amongst a large portion of the population that centrally funded health care is something evil.

the deep irony is that they dont mind paying substantial amount in insurance, to what is essentially a central funded medial/pharma system, your insurance is valid in Orlando the same as in Detriot (as i understand). like all insurance, most people will actually never need to use it, but they happily pay it over a tax to the government.

 

[clapham_gull]

Yes it is interesting and makes my blood boil. The government are spinning again, they act tough but in reality they are allowing this practice to continue as they dam well know these foreign nationals are entitled for free treatment as it’ll infringe their human rights. The Labour party like to sound tough with statements but behind the scenes it’s still an open house.

Looks to me more like the responsibility of local health authorities.

 

[Gully]

It makes you realise how lucky we are to live in a country where there is universal health care available at the point of need, no need to check whether the patient has the requisite insurance policy or means to pay for any care delivered. I have always considered the NHS to be one of the greatest achievements of this country, although I have had to use it rarely, I see no reason to change that point of view.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Clapham,some good points. Is this just Obama,s goal i mean do most Democrats back him ?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Looks to me more like the responsibility of local health authorities.

I would imagine that a lot of it would be the blame of front line staff, but then how can you turn someone away that is in desperate need of medical assistance?

 

[Gully]

Clapham,some good points. Is this just Obama,s goal i mean do most Democrats back him ?

I remember Bill Clinton making a speech where he advocated the same system of healthcare that we have in the UK, apparently he was a big admirer of the NHS, however his plans never got off the ground...so I am guessing that Obama will find it difficult too.

 

[clapham_gull]

I would imagine that a lot of it would be the blame of front line staff, but then how can you turn someone away that is in desperate need of medical assistance?

And would they ever, and would we as a nation find it acceptable for foreign nationals to be left dying in waiting rooms ?

We probably have to accept that our system being free at the point of delivery will always be open to that.

.. but Billions? unlikely.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

Insurance companies and lawyers run healthcare in the States and it is very lucrative for them. They are not going to give up that position easily and they have the money to make sure it doesn’t. They employ armies of people to reject or reduce claims. One of the guys in the office is still struggling to get the bills paid when his wife was pregnant as he mispelt his daughters name !

As Clapham Gull says Americans do see centralized health care as some socialist conspiracy but they also know things can’t continue as they stand because with redundancies running at their highest rate for years this is starting to really bite with a lot of voters when they lose their health benefits.

Healthcare reform was one of Obama's main election promises and no doubt this will be referred to in his State of the Union address tonight. With Ted Kennedy's death he has lost the balance of power and will now need to water down and compromise if this bill is to have any chance of suceeding.

 

[Helter]

It makes you realise how lucky we are to live in a country where there is universal health care available at the point of need, no need to check whether the patient has the requisite insurance policy or means to pay for any care delivered. I have always considered the NHS to be one of the greatest achievements of this country, although I have had to use it rarely, I see no reason to change that point of view.

No wonder, we've got hundreds of HIV-AIDS sufferers flocking here from African countries. £30,000 a year for HIV-AIDS medicine for each person.

Government make me laugh when they say there has been an increase in HIV-AIDS due to poor education so must teach children when they’re even younger, the only increase is from immigrants that come here because they know they can get it free but the government refuse to say what ethnic group carry the HIV-AIDS virus the most because of political correctness.