I think Caciedo will be next season's Bissouma.
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[Albion] Alzate
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I think Caciedo will be next season's Bissouma.
Seasidesage
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Has undoubtedly regressed during the year but no value to selling now. He's a very good squad player who may still develop into a 1st team regular. Even if he doesn't we'd get more in 12 months than now, contract is not a problem currently so why sell?
He very likely may become an important player again, he certainly has the talent to do so and as others have said, Biss/Propper may well be off and Lallana and Gross have limited shelf life in front of them gaps will open up in that area.
He very likely may become an important player again, he certainly has the talent to do so and as others have said, Biss/Propper may well be off and Lallana and Gross have limited shelf life in front of them gaps will open up in that area.
Stumpy Tim
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I cannot believe people are talking about moving on a proven Premier League and International player, who is 22 years old, because he hasn't played as much in the 2nd half of the season - having had Covid. MENTAL
Except we've bought in Moder and Caicedo since last season, and Moder at least appears to be ahead of him in the queue.
So do I - want to see him play and find out if he is up to it (yet)!
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Yes this - it's only 9 weeks since he scored the winner at Anfield too!
It's not unusual at all for a young player to have a harder second season, especially when you consider the strangeness around this season and the fact he has also had Covid. But even in a strange broken up season like this he's still managed to score that winner, get man of the match against Man Utd and contribute in other matches.
He's a real talent and an important part of the squad.
Don Tmatter
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From Alzate’s point of view, is he going to get much game time next season?
Odds are Bissouma will move on and Davy Pröpper appears to be in the same boat as Alzate all be it more experienced at PL and international level so you’d imagine he’s got his agent working overtime for a move.
If he feels Caicedo, Moder or even Ben White are ahead of him in next seasons CM pecking order, you wouldn’t blame him for asking for a move, which in my opinion would be very disappointing.
blue-shifted
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Yes, I agree. I think there's a good chance he'll want away.
It would be a shame as he's a fine young player
If Biss and Proper leave (I’m assuming Molbumby is definitely off), then I think Alzate has plenty of opportunities here. It’s a long season, and he’s capable of playing anywhere... not just Center mid. That versatility gives him a lot of possibilities.
He had covid and I think he had surgery as well. So he’s had a write off season. Next season is key. If he’s marginalised again then he’ll be off.
Stumpy Tim
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That's a very different question though. However, I also don't think he'll necessarily get more game time in another Premier League team. I'm sure he'll play more next season, when he doesn't have Covid, Bissouma may not be around, and Lallana has another injury. Potter clearly likes him as he is one of the subs that actually gets on the pitch.
Alzate seems well advised, so I suspect he'll be happy to hang around a progressive club with a progressive manager where he does get game-time
Still developing.
The early season error vs Chelsea didn’t help him, as it felt that GP lost a little bit of trust, as he didn’t play him regularly thereafter. However, he is still developing and hopefully will bounce back next year.
It won’t do him any harm watching Lallana either.
The early season error vs Chelsea didn’t help him, as it felt that GP lost a little bit of trust, as he didn’t play him regularly thereafter. However, he is still developing and hopefully will bounce back next year.
It won’t do him any harm watching Lallana either.
Lallana & Bissouma is clearly our preferred central starting partnership, dare I say there is an air of ‘world class’ about the pair?
Alzate was brilliant against Newcastle and Man Utd in the centre at the beginning of the season but got injured and then probably got Covid, he lost his place to Groß and then Adam and has not looked convincing in other positions.
Potter clearly likes a creative next to Biss. With Lallana, he gets very strong leadership and experience too.
Alzate is the long term answer as Lallana always seems one game away from a dodgy injury. I think he is more pacy, dynamic and has more tricks and skills than Groß but lacks the Germans brilliant passing, stamina and game management. Since Groß stopped scoring goals regularly a few seasons ago neither is going to provide a solution to our lack of quality finishing but we probably need to solve that in the 3 players who regularly play in more advanced positions.
It’ll be interesting to see who plays next to Lallana/Groß/Alzate next season if, as expected, Biss is to leave. Potter has a choice of 5 (five) other international central midfielders to consider (Moder, Caicedo, Pröpper, Molumby, & Băluță) before he asks Tony for some pocket money to sign someone like Berge from Sheff Utd or Barrios from Zenit St Petersburg; they’ll become our midfield enforcer in the short term whilst Caicedo gains enough experience to make the position his own.
Alzate was brilliant against Newcastle and Man Utd in the centre at the beginning of the season but got injured and then probably got Covid, he lost his place to Groß and then Adam and has not looked convincing in other positions.
Potter clearly likes a creative next to Biss. With Lallana, he gets very strong leadership and experience too.
Alzate is the long term answer as Lallana always seems one game away from a dodgy injury. I think he is more pacy, dynamic and has more tricks and skills than Groß but lacks the Germans brilliant passing, stamina and game management. Since Groß stopped scoring goals regularly a few seasons ago neither is going to provide a solution to our lack of quality finishing but we probably need to solve that in the 3 players who regularly play in more advanced positions.
It’ll be interesting to see who plays next to Lallana/Groß/Alzate next season if, as expected, Biss is to leave. Potter has a choice of 5 (five) other international central midfielders to consider (Moder, Caicedo, Pröpper, Molumby, & Băluță) before he asks Tony for some pocket money to sign someone like Berge from Sheff Utd or Barrios from Zenit St Petersburg; they’ll become our midfield enforcer in the short term whilst Caicedo gains enough experience to make the position his own.
Barnet Seagull
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I'm still a little bit torn on Alzate and last night's performance hasn't changed that.
Lots to be positive about, his technique, quality on the ball and versatility but on too many occasions recently, weak in the challenge and vulnerable to a sloppy pass or two under no pressure. He reminds me a bit of Propper who struggled in our system. He may yet have a similar fate.
Lots to be positive about, his technique, quality on the ball and versatility but on too many occasions recently, weak in the challenge and vulnerable to a sloppy pass or two under no pressure. He reminds me a bit of Propper who struggled in our system. He may yet have a similar fate.
You need very specific attributes to thrive in a Potter team, and I fear that Alzate doesn't have them. I find myself willing him to do well - he looks so classy on the ball. But isn't quick enough in the pass and seems a little light-weight. Compare with what we've seen of Mwepu already and you can see what GP is leaning towards.
I don't see him getting closer to the starting XI as the talented 20 year olds come through. He seems likely to end up being a "nearly man" at BHA. A huge shame, but football is rarely gentle on those who can't quite reach the heights.
I don't see him getting closer to the starting XI as the talented 20 year olds come through. He seems likely to end up being a "nearly man" at BHA. A huge shame, but football is rarely gentle on those who can't quite reach the heights.
maresfield seagull
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It’s strange because he seemed to bring those attributes when he first broke into the team Perhaps COVID and the injury that required surgery
Have set him back further than we realise ?
A touch of sloppiness has always worried me about Alzate, he has a lot of quality but can have a tendency to give the ball away in a dangerous area one or twice a match. There’s a lot of competition in midfield now with Caicedo and Richards alongside the those in and around the first team, Biss, Lallana, Ali Mac and Mwepu. He’s a good player to have from a versatility perspective but it seems Moder has outstripped him in that regard too.
He’s certainly not a player to give up on at this stage but wonder if we considered a loan to get him some more minutes.
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His situation is similar to Solly March, was lightweight and inconsistent, but we knew he had skills,.. I think a year of weights and strength conditioning is required, dont forget he is young still, and I believe he will more than make it at this level.
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Like others I agree it’s a shame he hasn’t kicked on as we would have liked. I wouldn’t loan him out though as he does provide excellent cover across multiple position due to his versatility. An injury crisis or Covid outbreak and he could be very useful to have around.