Alternatives to STRIKING

[mune ni kamome]

Never forget the working class were kept at starvation level for hundreds of years and still would be given half a chance. We had to fight hard for even the most basic of rights that we now take for granted. The rich didn't suddenly have a change of heart and develop a conscience. They had to be dragged screaming into paying a living wage

 

[Glawstergull]

Working!
and not holding others to Ransom.

 

[KNC]

Your just not listening, are you.

 

[00snook]

I thought this was gonna be a thread about our inability to have any shots at goal.

Me too.

Ha ha.

 

[beorhthelm]

Never forget the working class were kept at starvation level for hundreds of years and still would be given half a chance. We had to fight hard for even the most basic of rights that we now take for granted. The rich didn't suddenly have a change of heart and develop a conscience. They had to be dragged screaming into paying a living wage

i think you'll find many "rich" recognised a long time ago that looking after workers was either morally right (Cadbury) or in their own interests (Ford) and drove the rights just as much as or ahead of the working classes.

 

[blue'n'white]

It often surprises me that "work to rule" isn't used more often. From my own experience in a government agency, the place largely functions on the goodwill of staff who do all manner of little extras here and there simply to "get the job done". If a strict work to rule was invoked many offices would fall apart in days.

The only problem with "working to rule" is that in my particular little bit of the civil service nobody actually knows what the rules are !! The job is not shown to be - you do part A then other people do parts B,C and D. You do do just as you say above - get the job done whether it is working at or below or above your grade

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

Are there any? All this talk of strikes recently got me thinking...

Although many of the people striking may have a perfectly good reason to do so, they never seem to get much sympathy from Joe Public for obvious reasons.

Why should a parent have to take a day off just because a teacher feels their pension deal isn't fair? Why should people not be able to travel on Boxing Day because a train driver has got the hump about his bonus? Is that really fair?

I think we showed as a football club that there is certainly more than one way of protesting/campaigning. You have to be creative if you really want to be heard.

Do you think there are any alternatives? Or is striking really the last resort?

meanwhile you could also come up with an alternative to taking a day off work and sort some other childcare or an alternative way to travel on Boxing Day

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Once upon a time, trade unionists DID have an alternative to striking. It was called "let's start a political party, get ourselves elected and achieve improved working conditions through parliamentary means".

These days, that route seems to have been shut down.

 

[Goldstone Rapper]

In a major industrial dispute, if, ultimately, you're not prepared to go on strike, no kind of 'creative' or 'imaginative' ways of making a point is going to make much difference if you can be relied upon to come in on time each morning and work a full day.

 

[Mr Burns]

If you are wronged enough to strike.... er get another job?

I hated my first job after a few years, so I left and got something else. Not hard to work out is it? Instead of bleating and pissing and whining, get off your arse and go find another job.

Or am I just being silly.

 

[Simster]

i think you'll find many "rich" recognised a long time ago that looking after workers was either morally right (Cadbury) or in their own interests (Ford) and drove the rights just as much as or ahead of the working classes.

Are you sure? I know there were moral Quaker companies like Cadbury or Boots, but I always presumed they were outnumbered by large numbers of wealthy capitalists exploiting low wages. Still, you seem confident enough to say otherwise. Do you have any evidence?

 

[beorhthelm]

Are you sure? I know there were moral Quaker companies like Cadbury or Boots, but I always presumed they were outnumbered by large numbers of wealthy capitalists exploiting low wages. Still, you seem confident enough to say otherwise. Do you have any evidence?

i didnt make any claim to the numerical balance of progressive vs exploitative capitalists, just highlighting that conscionable, progressive employer existed before the Labour movement. do you have evidence that the exploitative employers did outnumber? i imagine is rather relative and subjective with a great deal of bias on the part of the historian.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If you are wronged enough to strike.... er get another job?

I hated my first job after a few years, so I left and got something else. Not hard to work out is it? Instead of bleating and pissing and whining, get off your arse and go find another job.

Or am I just being silly.

Yes, you're being silly.

 

[Simster]

i dont see i made any claim to the numerical balance of progressive vs exploitative capitalists, just highlighting that conscionable, progressive employer existed before the Labour movement.

Yes but you did infer that the "rich" drove the rights of working classes, possibly more than the working classes themselves.

Which is utter bollocks.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

There are alternatives to striking. The 'go slow' has been a useful bargaining tool. My favourite though has to be the BA cabin staff 'collective sick day.' The union totally out-manoeuvred Willie Walsh with that one.

 

[aolstudios]

If you are wronged enough to strike.... er get another job?

I hated my first job after a few years, so I left and got something else. Not hard to work out is it? Instead of bleating and pissing and whining, get off your arse and go find another job.

Or am I just being silly.

Yes, you're being silly. Try just leaving and getting something else right now, with the (lack of, I presume) experience you had then and see how you get on. Not the greatest time for just walking out and casually cherry picking one of the stacks of jobs out there

 

[Simster]

If you are wronged enough to strike.... er get another job?

I hated my first job after a few years, so I left and got something else. Not hard to work out is it? Instead of bleating and pissing and whining, get off your arse and go find another job.

Or am I just being silly.

HT is right, you are being very silly. And the reason is very very obvious when you think about it. You could spend a decade building up the benefits that go with long service, then see your pension or workiing hours change or whatever.

Is it reasonable to then assume that the way to protest against such enforced changes is to jack in your job of ten years and start again elsewhere right at the bottom?

 

[beorhthelm]

Yes but you did infer that the "rich" drove the rights of working classes, possibly more than the working classes themselves.

Which is utter bollocks.

im no expert, but i understand it was wealthy victorian industrailists that made the first steps, albeit small. what is bollocks is to imply that until the labour movment no "rich" ever gave a shit about the working class, who would be kept in starvation, its left wing mythology.

 

[fork me]

i think you'll find many "rich" recognised a long time ago that looking after workers was either morally right (Cadbury) or in their own interests (Ford) and drove the rights just as much as or ahead of the working classes.

While this is true, sich enlightened people were in the minority.

I'm not sure Ford is a good example though. It was Ford who effectively sentenced millions to the drudgery of the production line.

 

[fork me]

If you are wronged enough to strike.... er get another job?

I hated my first job after a few years, so I left and got something else. Not hard to work out is it? Instead of bleating and pissing and whining, get off your arse and go find another job.

Or am I just being silly.

You're being so silly that I don't believe that someone who could post that is capable of typing and breathing at the same time.

A large amount of the people on strike have spent most of their life building up a career only to have their conditions changed at the last minute.