[Football] All time PL/Div 1 club table

[SouthSaxon]

It wasn’t always 3 points for a win, which is what this table is based on. Darwen, for example, are given 11 points more than they would have been awarded at the time.

Not a criticism of the table, just an observation.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

This is great, so yes, lots of factors.

I do think though (and this could be some anchoring bias) that over the entire footballing pyramid there seems to be a shift to southern clubs. Looking at the non leagues for instance, feels like a lot of the clubs taken on by money men are more southerly clubs. Probably just an incorrect hot take though.

Although at the very highest level the leagues are mostly being won by Northern teams, and plenty of money is going in there. Newcastle, Villa and Forest are 'back' , Leeds, Sunderland and Birmingham could well be on their way back.

The southern teams doing well - us, Bournemouth, Brentford seem more like 'project clubs', seeing how far you can take unfashionable clubs without a lot of cash, by making them exceptionally well run. Reading and Swansea would have fallen into that bracket for a while, Ipswich & Luton possibly too. Can't think of many up north that that description fits, maybe Leicester.

Maybe that's the point, that there's more potential for investing in clubs down south where previously there was little investment

 

[Simster]

You see, this is why I'm a firm supporter of the 'Football only started in 1992' brigade. We're much higher up if you ignore all the early seasons, especially those when it was just a northern thing.

(Good to see Bradford Park Avenue though!)

It's bollocks though isn't it? I think you'll find it started in 2011.

 

[WASH]

The combined Div 1/Prem table is a couple of seasons out of date as the 389 games pld shown would be at the 31 game point of the 2022/23 season so a few more wins and points to be added to it. Still has us in 47th place but now on 459 games played in the top flight, 7 games behind Bradford, but still a long way off points wise as we have now amassed 520 so far to their 582.

Interestingly if the All Time Prem Table was points per game based we'd be in 17th place. With Brentford making a major jump up the table.

Pos. ppg	Pos. on pts		Pld	W	D	L	GD	Points	ppg
1	1	Manchester United	1253	752	274	227	1126	2530	2.019
2	2	Arsenal FC	1253	688	303	262	1005	2367	1.889
3	3	Liverpool FC	1253	670	308	275	983	2318	1.850
4	4	Chelsea FC	1253	659	311	283	866	2288	1.826
5	6	Manchester City	1063	542	227	294	730	1853	1.743
6	5	Tottenham Hotspur	1253	549	296	408	339	1943	1.551
7	14	Leeds United	582	223	151	208	9	820	1.409
8	8	Newcastle United	1135	431	289	415	27	1582	1.394
9	12	Blackburn Rovers	696	262	184	250	20	970	1.394
10	7	Everton FC	1253	446	350	457	-28	1688	1.347
11	9	Aston Villa	1139	402	319	418	-71	1525	1.339
12	41	Brentford FC	139	48	34	57	-4	178	1.281
13	10	West Ham United	1097	367	276	454	-239	1377	1.255
14	26	Wimbledon FC (- 2004)	301	96	86	119	-87	374	1.243
15	13	Leicester City	675	222	172	281	-95	838	1.241
16	25	Sheffield Wednesday	316	101	89	126	-44	392	1.241
17	28	Brighton & Hove Albion	291	87	95	109	-56	356	1.223
18	29	Nottingham Forest	299	92	84	123	-94	360	1.204
19	21	Stoke City	380	116	109	155	-127	457	1.203
20	27	Charlton Athletic	304	93	82	129	-100	361	1.188
21	33	Swansea City	266	82	66	118	-77	312	1.173
22	31	AFC Bournemouth	291	92	65	134	-121	341	1.172
23	19	Bolton Wanderers	494	149	128	217	-170	575	1.164
24	15	Fulham FC	671	200	178	293	-199	778	1.159
25	17	Middlesbrough FC	574	165	169	240	-146	664	1.157
26	11	Southampton FC	949	282	251	416	-279	1097	1.156
27	23	Coventry City	354	99	112	143	-103	409	1.155
28	16	Crystal Palace	603	176	160	267	-192	688	1.141
29	36	Portsmouth FC	266	79	65	122	-88	302	1.135
30	35	Birmingham City	266	73	82	111	-87	301	1.132
31	22	Wolverhampton Wanderers	405	119	97	189	-195	454	1.121
32	34	Queens Park Rangers	278	81	65	132	-92	308	1.108
33	32	Wigan Athletic	304	85	76	143	-166	331	1.089
34	39	Ipswich Town	227	60	61	106	-120	241	1.062
35	44	Oldham Athletic	84	22	23	39	-37	89	1.060
36	43	Reading FC	114	32	23	59	-50	119	1.044
37	38	Derby County	266	68	70	128	-149	274	1.030
38	48	Blackpool FC	38	10	9	19	-23	39	1.026
39	24	Norwich City	392	99	105	188	-255	402	1.026
40	30	Burnley FC	342	88	85	169	-192	349	1.020
41	18	Sunderland AFC	608	153	159	296	-292	618	1.016
42	20	West Bromwich Albion	494	117	139	238	-262	490	0.992
43	40	Sheffield United	236	56	57	123	-152	225	0.953
44	37	Watford FC	304	73	66	165	-208	285	0.938
45	49	Barnsley FC	38	10	5	23	-45	35	0.921
46	42	Hull City	190	41	48	101	-142	171	0.900
47	45	Cardiff City	76	17	13	46	-77	64	0.842
48	46	Bradford City	76	14	20	42	-70	62	0.816
49	50	Swindon Town	42	5	15	22	-53	30	0.714
50	47	Huddersfield Town	76	12	17	47	-84	53	0.697
51	51	Luton Town	38	6	8	24	-33	26	0.684

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Isn't it more a reflection of:

1) The league originally being northern based

2) A lot of Southern clubs didn't join until 1920

3)Only two divisions until 1920 when divs 3 north and south were introduced

4)It was only one up one down from Div 3 south until 1959

5)It was only two up two down until the 70s.

6)Play offs weren't introduced until 1987.

I'd bet that the increase in top flight southern teams started in the 70s with three up three down and really got going after the play offs were introduced.

For example we didn't get promoted from div 3 south until we won it in 1958. If it was top 3 we would have been promoted in 1937. If the play offs existed we'd have qualified for them 17 times with our first possible promotion coming in 1923.

I think it's that greater mobility rather than any sociological or economic factors that have caused the 'rise' of southern teams and 'decline' of northern ones.


That, if true, is an incredible stat!

Yep, football didn't start in 1992 but football as it has been for many years didn't start in 1888 either. Shenanigans with re-elections and a northern bias. If I were to pick an arbitrary date then the 50s or 60s seems about right when things settled down. But even then there was re-election in Division 4.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Stoke City’s bonkers goal difference fact and the brown sauce statistic

Top football statistician has been analysing a depressing bit of trivia

www.stokesentinel.co.uk

That's brilliant!

Maybe my new favourite pointless football stat.

There was one up and one down between Div.3 north and Div.2 until 1959 too.

Yes, I know but that doesn't have any baring on the point I was making.

The football league was a predominantly northern based league and with only one southern team being promoted from the third tier each season it was difficult to get an influx of southern based teams into the higher echelons. Thus northern teams were able to have a long history in the top flight.

This is great, so yes, lots of factors.

I do think though (and this could be some anchoring bias) that over the entire footballing pyramid there seems to be a shift to southern clubs. Looking at the non leagues for instance, feels like a lot of the clubs taken on by money men are more southerly clubs. Probably just an incorrect hot take though.

I haven't thought about it in terms of non league so I have no idea!

 

[Bodian]

And we are 43rd in the all time table of ALL league games.

All-Time League Table - FootballRates.com

All-Time League Table

footballrates.com

 

[warmleyseagull]

This is the all time Premier League table.
Will probably overtake Charlton, Wimbledon this season. And (probably) Sheff Weds, Norwich, Coventry next....so not far off breaking into the all time Top 20.

Premier League - All time standings

Die ewige Tabelle ist ein Ranking aller Vereine, die je am Wettbewerb Premier League teilgenommen haben. Die Tabelle ist geordnet nach den Punkten die bei ihren Teilnahmen erreicht wurden.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Forest should overtake us on current form. Slightly ironic that we are level on points but Albion ahead on GD.