[Politics] All future Labour peers must back abolition of Lords

[TomandJerry]

Jeremy Corbyn has said any new peers appointed by his party must support Labour’s position of abolishing the*House of Lords*if ever offered a parliamentary vote on its future.

The*Labour*leader, a long-time advocate of replacing the upper house with an elected chamber, has already made the pledge a condition for the appointment of three new peers announced on Friday."

Suicide move for Corbyn?

 

[Seagull73]

Jeremy Corbyn has said any new peers appointed by his party must support Labour’s position of abolishing the*House of Lords*if ever offered a parliamentary vote on its future.

The*Labour*leader, a long-time advocate of replacing the upper house with an elected chamber, has already made the pledge a condition for the appointment of three new peers announced on Friday."

Suicide move for Corbyn?

Bloody hell - something I actually agree with him on.

 

[Seasidesage]

Bloody hell - something I actually agree with him on.

This. The HoL is an affront to democracy. We elect a parliament and then allow an unelected bunch of inbreds the power of veto over of the elected governments policies.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Shame he didn't specify fighting antisemitism .. https://order-order.com/2018/05/18/corbyns-new-peer-defended-anti-semites/ .... or respecting the official policy of the Labour party re Brexit https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/lords-vote-keep-uk-eu-12503895.

 

[Goldstone1976]

This. The HoL is an affront to democracy. We elect a parliament and then allow an unelected bunch of inbreds the power of veto over of the elected governments policies.

Only they don’t have a power of veto. https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/parliamentacts/

The second house should be elected though.

 

[Seasidesage]

Only they don’t have a power of veto. https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/laws/parliamentacts/

The second house should be elected though.

No but you would have to use the Parliament Act to force something through ultimately, which delays things sometimes for years.

 

[Gwylan]

It's all very well talking about the abolition of the Lords but what are they going to put in its place? We're surely not going to have a unicameral system.

 

[beorhthelm]

This. The HoL is an affront to democracy. We elect a parliament and then allow an unelected bunch of inbreds the power of veto over of the elected governments policies.

seems you misunderstand the role of the Lords, then rile against it on the make up. the power lies with house of commons, HoL can only send back revision, which they dont have to accept.

reform of HoL would be a good idea, making it elected would only introduce more, new problems. which house has precedence, who resolves deadlocks, what if they are both aligned to government so anything can get waved through without proper scrutiny? reform should address the deficiencies while keeping the advantages of the current.

 

[narly101]

I reckon we do it with an anarcho-syndicalist commune.

 

[lawros left foot]

Shame he didn't specify fighting antisemitism .. https://order-order.com/2018/05/18/corbyns-new-peer-defended-anti-semites/ .... or respecting the official policy of the Labour party re Brexit https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/lords-vote-keep-uk-eu-12503895.

Both covered very well in other threads

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Both covered very well in other threads

Appointing a person defending antisemites to the House of Lords or ignoring people who vote against official Labour policy that meant dismissal if it occurred in the house of commons is covered where exactly?

 

[Goldstone1976]

No but you would have to use the Parliament Act to force something through ultimately, which delays things sometimes for years.

The various Parliament Acts have been used seven times in the last century. Typically, the process takes between six and 12 months. The longest it has ever taken is 17 months.

 

[Gwylan]

ignoring people who vote against official Labour policy that meant dismissal if it occurred in the house of commons

You've been badly misinformed on that. Corbyn himself voted against Labour policy more than 500 times and not only has he not been dismissed from the party, he's leading it

 

[Guinness Boy]

seems you misunderstand the role of the Lords, then rile against it on the make up. the power lies with house of commons, HoL can only send back revision, which they dont have to accept.

reform of HoL would be a good idea, making it elected would only introduce more, new problems. which house has precedence, who resolves deadlocks, what if they are both aligned to government so anything can get waved through without proper scrutiny? reform should address the deficiencies while keeping the advantages of the current.

To paraphrase post #2 - bloody hell, something I actually agree with you on.

 

[GT49er]

To paraphrase post #2 - bloody hell, something I actually agree with you on.

Yes, well, strange bedfellows do occasionally find themselves in agreement! I agree with the OP on this too.


Reform of the HoL is very much a 'be careful what you wish for' issue. So many of the alternatives could turn out even worse!

 

[Live by the sea]

Most of the stuff that comes out of Commie Corbyn’s mouth is nonsense. Add this to the list .

 

[knocky1]

Life peers or an elected Second House. Hardly a radical choice.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

You've been badly misinformed on that. Corbyn himself voted against Labour policy more than 500 times and not only has he not been dismissed from the party, he's leading it

True he and his fellow travellers are hypocrites but that's the least of their problems.

 

[Stoo82]

No but you would have to use the Parliament Act to force something through ultimately, which delays things sometimes for years.

Good old fashion parliamental convention.

But with them regecting the Brexit Bill, they have dug thier own grave.

 

[The Large One]

Most of the stuff that comes out of Commie Corbyn’s mouth is nonsense. Add this to the list .

Clearly you don't understand politics.

One - he's not a communist. He's a democratic socialist. Big difference.

Two - he's advocating abolition of the House of Lords - an unelected second house. Many on all sides of the political spectrum agree with that, and feel it should be an elected second house.