[Albion] Alireza Jahanbakhsh joins Feyenoord

[Stat Brother]

Happy to hold hands up and say I was on of the ones that had called this bloke a flop and useless.

Honestly couldnt see a player in there at all.

Happy to be proved wrong the last 2 games.

Long may it continue

Fair play to him

 

[Mellotron]

I keep repeatedly explaining it.

He's basically playing in Gross' position and isn't as good as Gross, because the team is allowed to have more than 11 good players.

Obviously, like everybody else I will concede I had no idea 'this' was going to happen.
I'll hazard a guess neither did GP or else it would have happened sooner.

But he's a player plenty good enough to do what he's done, he just needed everything to finally fall his way and thankfully he caught it.


I've just looked at his heatmap v Bournemouth.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1376283/Live/England-Premier-League-2019-2020-Brighton-Bournemouth

It has a striking similarity to his prolific AZ heat map which means it is the complete opposite of how and where he was asked to play, last season.

Hang on, are you saying that when you play a player to their strengths rather than in a position that is the complete opposite of their strengths, they

are MORE effective??!?!

This truly is rocket science level stuff.

 

[Mellotron]

Am I enjoying this? Yes, yes I am! Childish, isn’t it?

I'm not going to lie - it's a lot of fun to watch.

 

[Stat Brother]

Hang on, are you saying that when you play a player to their strengths rather than in a position that is the complete opposite of their strengths, they

are MORE effective??!?!

This truly is rocket science level stuff.

wait for it...




...If you play a player out of position they might look a bit shite.

 

[Mellotron]

wait for it...




...If you play a player out of position they might look a bit shite.

 

[Stat Brother]

I think it was Graeme Le Saux who said, when he started his career he was all over the place both in defence and midfield.
He just couldn't get settled.

One of the big reasons he signed for Balckburn was because when Kenny Dalglish spoke to him he said words to the effect of:-

'I'm buying you as full back, if you don't perform that on you.
If I play you anywhere else and you don't perform that on me'.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Yeah but as an attacker who needs to defend rather than a defender who has to sprint up the pitch with virtually no support when he gets there.

Hmmm. Not quite sure that was the case. [emoji2]


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[Mellotron]

Hmmm. Not quite sure that was the case. [emoji2]

You don't remember us playing with effectively 3/4 full backs a fair bit of the time under Hughton last season, looking scared shitless of most sides? March was similarly shackled.

Weird how people seem to be remembering Hughton's 18/19 side as some sort of free-flowing, attacking side, it seems.

 

[Granny on the wing]

I keep repeatedly explaining it.

He's basically playing in Gross' position and isn't as good as Gross, because the team is allowed to have more than 11 good players.

Obviously, like everybody else I will concede I had no idea 'this' was going to happen.
I'll hazard a guess neither did GP or else it would have happened sooner.

But he's a player plenty good enough to do what he's done, he just needed everything to finally fall his way and thankfully he caught it.


I've just looked at his heatmap v Bournemouth.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1376283/Live/England-Premier-League-2019-2020-Brighton-Bournemouth

It has a striking similarity to his prolific AZ heat map which means it is the complete opposite of how and where he was asked to play, last season.

I think it very debatable if him or Gross are better players ,Gross has had some off days particularly in away games . Ali playing on the right side of attack is clear now ,does make you wonder what other Albion player would score a goal like the Chelsea goal .Even though its been said the Dutch league is not very good a lot of his goals were good strikes ,a few of our midfielders find it very difficult to get shots on target hence hardly any goals from Propper and Stephens .

 

[Stat Brother]

You don't remember us playing with effectively 3/4 full backs a fair bit of the time under Hughton last season, looking scared shitless of most sides? March was similarly shackled.

Weird how people seem to be remembering Hughton's 18/19 side as some sort of free-flowing, attacking side, it seems.

It all depends on which player they're being critical of and why.

 

[Stat Brother]

I think it very debatable if him or Gross are better players ,Gross has had some off days particularly in away games . Ali playing on the right side of attack is clear now ,does make you wonder what other Albion player would score a goal like the Chelsea goal .Even though its been said the Dutch league is not very good a lot of his goals were good strikes ,a few of our midfielders find it very difficult to get shots on target hence hardly any goals from Propper and Stephens .

I'm gonna run with my square peg analogy.

As I don't see Ali as a Stephens/Propper midfielder.

More so part of the Trossard, Gross, Mooy gang, of which there's no shame in being 4th (last)


I've backed away from the glowing tributes about his goal because irrespective of just how good it was, technically and physically, even knowing he meant it and executed his plan.
I still can't shake the fact it feels like a lot of luck is still involved - Very unfair I know.

Whereas some of his technical play passing and crossing has just been of the highest level and far beyond that of just a comedy punching bag for shits and giggles.

 

[Seasider78]

Alireza Jahanbakhsh signs on a 5-year deal for a club record fee

Happy to admit I had completely written him off as a dud as in a season and a half under two separate managers he struggled to hold a place in the squad let alone on the pitch. When given the chance previously it was not taken and his confidence looked shot and it looked like time for him and us to move on (January was my guess when he would finally be moved on). Just looked hugely out of his depth and was not settling.

The last two games have really come from nowhere and very few players pull back from those depths which says a lot about his character. Like most never saw that coming it is like watching a completely different player

He now has a platform and has given the club a real headache let’s hope he now pushes on and cements a place in the match day squad.

If he carries that on I will be gorging on more than a few slices of humble pie

 

[Guinness Boy]

Hang on, are you saying that when you play a player to their strengths rather than in a position that is the complete opposite of their strengths, they

are MORE effective??!?!

This truly is rocket science level stuff.

For the first half of this season the only thing that troubled a heatmap was his arse on a padded seat. Perhaps his best position is

OFF the pitch?

 

[Icy Gull]

For the first half of this season the only thing that troubled a heatmap was his arse on a padded seat. Perhaps his best position is

OFF the pitch?

Of course it is, do yourself a favour and put the shovel away FFS

 

[Guinness Boy]

Of course it is, do yourself a favour and put the shovel away FFS

I think the quip sailed quite a way over your head. The obvious point, or question, which still none of the three of you have answered, is that, if all you had to do was play him in the right position, why has this taken since August? It's not like we've been struggling for results, though we had more problems with injury and sickness earlier in the season and he didn't get a look in. It's a genuine question. Any of the three of you can answer it.

 

[Stat Brother]

I think the quip sailed quite a way over your head. The obvious point, or question, which still none of the three of you have answered, is that, if all you had to do was play him in the right position, why has this taken since August? It's not like we've been struggling for results, though we had more problems with injury and sickness earlier in the season and he didn't get a look in. It's a genuine question. Any of the three of you can answer it.

Why do you keep saying that when I answered above.

 

[beorhthelm]

squad game people. he clearly presents a threat on the wing/inside forwad, if not great defensivly, and valuable asset to the squad on evidence.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Why do you keep saying that when I answered above.

You mentioned one player. The actual answer is that he was behind Gross, Trossard, March, Mooy and Alzate. Take Trossard out and he cost us more than the other four combined. That's my precise issue with him and always has been. Lots and lots of money for two good games in 18 months. That's not digging. It's a fact.

 

[Stat Brother]

You mentioned one player. The actual answer is that he was behind Gross, Trossard, March, Mooy and Alzate. Take Trossard out and he cost us more than the other four combined. That's my precise issue with him and always has been. Lots and lots of money for two good games in 18 months. That's not digging. It's a fact.

A point I've already made between that reply and yours.

My fact is the same contention as ever.

Yours and the lesser spotted HKFC judgement was far to binary, without any empathy or acknowledgement of all the other circumstances beyond his control.

Sure you've been far more considered than the likes of Durrington Gull and the original 'not even a footballer' Spence, et al, who have just been poison.

But it's just been the relentless digs and cheapshots which are being challenged now.

 

[Icy Gull]

You mentioned one player. The actual answer is that he was behind Gross, Trossard, March, Mooy and Alzate. Take Trossard out and he cost us more than the other four combined. That's my precise issue with him and always has been. Lots and lots of money for two good games in 18 months. That's not digging. It's a fact.

Not sure I’ve ever seen you just say that he’s not as good as those players, which the jury is now out on, it was far far more disparaging than that. THAT is what I am trying to highlight.

You wrote him off, or are you now denying that too?