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[Albion] Alireza Jahanbakhsh joins Feyenoord







One Teddy Maybank

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Izquierdo has been **** in his 2 games so far, as has Lionel Messi. So they both therefore must be terrible players.

Only we know that Messi and Izquierdo are good players, we have little to judge this player on, other than a 6th rated league he has excelled in, so although I don’t entirely agree with the sentiment of your post (admittedly two games isn’t much).




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If we were interested in a player who was top scorer in the Champoinship the previous season I wouldn't have a problem with that. Especially if CH and the recruitment team felt he could improve and adapt to life in the Premier League, was reasonable value for money and would fit in with the culture in the dressing room.

Jordan Rhodes?

How many top Championship players excel in the PL? Even Knockaert struggled.

Memphis at Man Utd?


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Only we know that Messi and Izquierdo are good players, we have little to judge this player on, other than a 6th rated league he has excelled in, so although I don’t entirely agree with the sentiment of your post (admittedly two games isn’t much).




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I'm saying that maybe judging a player based on 2 games with players he hardly ever plays or trains with is the wrong way to go about it. Yes the dutch league is at it's worst right now, but Izquierdo came after performing well in the Belgian league, which is far lower quality than the dutch league. You still have to be a decent player to perform at the very top of the Eredivisie.
 






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He's a producer, not a rapper.

Thanks for putting me right :thumbsup:

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Only we know that Messi and Izquierdo are good players, we have little to judge this player on, other than a 6th rated league he has excelled in, so although I don’t entirely agree with the sentiment of your post (admittedly two games isn’t much).

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Worth note that Izquierdo came from a good season in a league which is considerably worse than the Eredivisie.
 




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Jordan Rhodes?

How many top Championship players excel in the PL? Even Knockaert struggled.

Memphis at Man Utd?


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It's clearly a gamble on whether the top scorer can make the step up.

17/18 - Matej Vydra
16/17 - Chris Wood
15/16 - Andre Gray
14/15 - Daryl Murphy
13/14 - Ross McCormack
12/13 - Glenn Murray
 


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Worth note that Izquierdo came from a good season in a league which is considerably worse than the Eredivisie.

Though hadn’t he also had a reasonable champions league campaign scoring against Leicester?


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It's clearly a gamble on whether the top scorer can make the step up.

17/18 - Matej Vydra
16/17 - Chris Wood
15/16 - Andre Gray
14/15 - Daryl Murphy
13/14 - Ross McCormack
12/13 - Glenn Murray

With the exception of Murray, the others haven’t done a lot.

Wood had a good start and lost his way a little. Gray is awful for Watford.....


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I'm saying that maybe judging a player based on 2 games with players he hardly ever plays or trains with is the wrong way to go about it. Yes the dutch league is at it's worst right now, but Izquierdo came after performing well in the Belgian league, which is far lower quality than the dutch league. You still have to be a decent player to perform at the very top of the Eredivisie.

But that’s effectively all we have.

Re the Dutch league.

Memphis Depuy (?sp), was also prolific and was quickly found out.

Haven’t top Belgium teams achieved a similar amount of success to the Dutch teams in the Champions League (I seem to recall Anderlecht doing okay, but I could be wrong).



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But that’s effectively all we have.

Re the Dutch league.

Memphis Depuy (?sp), was also prolific and was quickly found out.

Haven’t top Belgium teams achieved a similar amount of success to the Dutch teams in the Champions League (I seem to recall Anderlecht doing okay, but I could be wrong).



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He was 21/22 when he moved to Man U and the big price tag raised expectations that he didn't live up to. He's still only 24 and has just had a very good season at Lyon.
 










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With the exception of Murray, the others haven’t done a lot.

Wood had a good start and lost his way a little. Gray is awful for Watford.....


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My point was more that the players in bold have played in the Premier League after they were top scorers in the Championship. The other three were deemed not good enough to make the step up.

I would agree that Murray is the exception here only because of the minimal transfer fee received and the longevity of his Premier League success after this season.
The moves closest to their goal scoring look like this:
17/18 - Matej Vydra - £8,000,000
16/17 - Chris Wood - £15,000,000
15/16 - Andre Gray - £6,000,000
14/15 - Daryl Murphy - £4,000,000
13/14 - Ross McCormack - £11,000,000
12/13 - Glenn Murray - £4,000,000

What is clear is that value for money is not great in the championship for often unproven players.
 




Beanstalk

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Depay is an odd one as he wasn't awful in his first season at United but also wasn't the natural successor to CR7 as promised, and then José came in and didn't fancy him. Did the same as he's done for Luke Shaw this year and forced him out of the club. He was wonderful before José and he's been pretty great after at Lyon. He'll fly back into a top European team in the next few years without a doubt and much like the parade of good players united have made look awful throughout the years, he shouldn't be remembered for one bad season.
 


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My point was more that the players in bold have played in the Premier League after they were top scorers in the Championship. The other three were deemed not good enough to make the step up.

I would agree that Murray is the exception here only because of the minimal transfer fee received and the longevity of his Premier League success after this season.
The moves closest to their goal scoring look like this:
17/18 - Matej Vydra - £8,000,000
16/17 - Chris Wood - £15,000,000
15/16 - Andre Gray - £6,000,000
14/15 - Daryl Murphy - £4,000,000
13/14 - Ross McCormack - £11,000,000
12/13 - Glenn Murray - £4,000,000

What is clear is that value for money is not great in the championship for often unproven players.

Thanks for posting [emoji106]


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