Alice Gross disappearance: Suspect Arnis Zalkalns has murder conviction

[hans kraay fan club]

A Ukrainian guy was locked up a while back for a nail bomb campaign on mosques around the West Midlands..

That case sounds a bit of a QUANDARY for some of our resident anti-immigration islamophobes...

 

[Lankyseagull]

With modern technology and every person in the EU being given an identity card which holds information about you, it would only take a second to swipe and check someones status.
Better to have that than having convicted criminals cross our borders and vice versa.

How much will this technology cost and who is going to pay for it?

Ahh, ID cards. Now that's a whole new debate.

Besides. What's to stop a convicted rapist: murderer getting hold of a fake ID card? People manage fake passports now.

What about mainland Europe, where there are no physical borders between countries? Or an independent Scotland, say, where you can just drive straight across into England?

The cost of such a plan would be astronomical. Also- there is currently no centralised European criminal convictions database. To check an individual from, say, the Czech Republic, you have to go through an third party agent. And different countries have different criteria for recording criminal offences. So there would need to be a specially compiled, standardised database of convictions accessible to all member states, which would require building & paying for.

Surely with chips being present in passports these days it wouldn't take much to have this sort of information available?

 

[drew]

And why was no action taken when he indecently assaulted a 14 year old girl? Surely, he should have got a police clearance certificate from the Latvian Police before getting permission to stay here?

From radio reports she wouldn't (or couldn't) back up her statement so the Police couldn't take it further! Even if they found out at that stage that he had served time for murder, what could they legally do?

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Surely with chips being present in passports these days it wouldn't take much to have this sort of information available?

Technology wise, no: cost wise?

As already stated, there isn't a standardised central European database of convictions, so that would have to be built to even start thinking about ID cards.

Plus, whenever ID cards have been mooted by governments on previous occasions, there has been very vocal opposition from those who resent what they perceive to be state interference & Big Brother scenarios.

 

[Nibble]

Alice Gross suspect is Latvian Murderer

Arnys Zalkalns the main suspect in the disappearance of schoolgirl Alice Gross served 7 years for murder in Latvian prison, moved here, got a job and was later questioned over the indecent assault of a 14 year old schoolgirl. How did he get let into the country?! He seems to be here legally, beggars belief.

 

[Nibble]

I do beg your pardon. A thread already exists.

 

[Brother Sid]

Technology wise, no: cost wise?

As already stated, there isn't a standardised central European database of convictions, so that would have to be built to even start thinking about ID cards.

Plus, whenever ID cards have been mooted by governments on previous occasions, there has been very vocal opposition from those who resent what they perceive to be state interference & Big Brother scenarios.

I employee a couple of Latvians and it is impossible to find out if they have a previous conviction. I've been told that the criminal records of Latvians are only available on an accessible data base going back for three years and that costs you nearly £200 per person.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Technology wise, no: cost wise?

As already stated, there isn't a standardised central European database of convictions, so that would have to be built to even start thinking about ID cards.

Plus, whenever ID cards have been mooted by governments on previous occasions, there has been very vocal opposition from those who resent what they perceive to be state interference & Big Brother scenarios.

Yep, perhaps the time has come for our friends in Europe to put a bit more money into security and a bit less on shite like how straight our bananas are.

 

[Gwylan]

Yep, perhaps the time has come for our friends in Europe to put a bit more money into security and a bit less on shite like how straight our bananas are.

Just about every European country has ID cards - it's the UK dragging its feet on this one. It's also the UK fighting against more European co-operation among police forces. The EU is guilty of many things but not this one (and it's not guilty on the straight banana story either but that's another story)

 

[Danny-Boy]

With modern technology and every person in the EU being given an identity card which holds information about you, it would only take a second to swipe and check someones status.
Better to have that than having convicted criminals cross our borders and vice versa.

But we don't have ID cards..I am beginning to think THAT Labour policy should have been implemented, and on a compulsory basis.

 

[Insel affe]

The answer is in the article, is it not?

We didn't know about his conviction, same as the Latvians, French, Spanish, Poles, Germans etc wouldn't know if a convicted British rapist decided to go on a little weekend break to their country.

EU free movement rules mean we can all go where we like without visas. Only somebody who has (for example) a sex offender notification requirement would need to contact the authorities if he was going abroad, and not all sex offenders have these. Murderers may have licence conditions, but they're usually about not committing crimes, rather than preventing them from travelling.

Twas just a question fair lady, which you and others have answered.

I know British people travel abroad and commit horrendous crimes and it should work both ways. ID cards do seem the only way, but as you and others have pointed out it is far too expensive.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Surely with chips being present in passports these days it wouldn't take much to have this sort of information available?

Possibly, but not every other country in the EU has a chip in the passports. Another way is to get people coming here to purchase an ID card.
Serves two purposes, confirms the persons ID, it can be used to access our services. No ID card no access, it's as simple as that. I'm sure the EU would have a different opinion on that one.

Secondly in order to get the ID card, you must provide a police report from your own country detailing any criminal offences that you have committed.
It can then be decided if that person can apply for an ID card and come to work in this country.

As it currently stands there is absolutely no control on the numbers, or quality.

 

[carlzeiss]

As it currently stands there is absolutely no control on the numbers, or quality.

This is exactly how Antony Charles Lynton Blair intended it to be .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ret-opening-UK-borders-to-European-immigrants

 

[Gwylan]

Possibly, but not every other country in the EU has a chip in the passports. Another way is to get people coming here to purchase an ID card.

As has been pointed out already, ID cards were proposed by the last Labour administration and the plan was shelved through massive opposition. You may welcome ID cards but you're in a small minority

 

[cunning fergus]

That case sounds a bit of a QUANDARY for some of our resident anti-immigration islamophobes...

Is it a QUANDARY……………..the UK already requires visas for non EU residents and even requests tourists get one if they have a criminal conviction:

https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa

If you are a non EU citizen with a conviction for murder you are unlikely to get in (that’s in theory of course as apparently it’s no problem if you hijack a plane).

So, the answer is simple, visas are required from the local embassies for everybody who is visiting from the EU as well. Place the cost of getting one on those who want to come to the UK, it won’t be punitively expensive so people will pay if they want.

You could also go further, if people are working in the UK their employer should pay an additional NI stamp (for say 3 years) to pay for the NHS etc. Anyone without an NI stamp in their passport gets no free treatment from the NHS.

UK citizens need visas when they travel abroad, should be easy now so many OTHER countries have ID cards etc.

It’s not a QUANDARY its common sense.

 

[Gwylan]

So, the answer is simple, visas are required from the local embassies for everybody who is visiting from the EU as well. Place the cost of getting one on those who want to come to the UK, it won’t be punitively expensive so people will pay if they want.
.

Except, of course, that would be illegal under EU rules. And if we were to withdraw from the EU and insist on visas, other countries would insist on visas too. Let's say it's £25 a person - would a family of four really be happy about paying an extra £100 for the Spanish holiday?

 

[pastafarian]

im sure most of us have had at some point our passports scanned visiting various countries or even coming back home but out of interest,does anyone know what information appears on the screen

 

[Gwylan]

im sure most of us have had at some point our passports scanned visiting various countries or even coming back home but out of interest,does anyone know what information appears on the screen

I don't know about coming out but I was hauled off to an immigration room last time I was in New York. I spent two hours with a bunch of Hispanic visitors until I was given the all-clear. Apparently my fingerprint showed me up to be a wanted drug trafficker - it was only when they checked other details that they let me go

 

[cunning fergus]

Except, of course, that would be illegal under EU rules. And if we were to withdraw from the EU and insist on visas, other countries would insist on visas too. Let's say it's £25 a person - would a family of four really be happy about paying an extra £100 for the Spanish holiday?

Murder is illegal too, so these EU rules need to change to protect British citizens...............what was it Orwell once said about speaking the truth being a revolutionary act?

Probably not, so maybe they will go to Turkey instead...........let's see how Spain would react to such a development.

 

[carlzeiss]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-searching-schoolgirl-body-London-river.html