[Albion] Albion join project to offer coaching qualifications to prisoners

[brightonrock]

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[father_and_son]

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Confused.... isn't a prerequiste to getting coaching qualifications passing a CRB check (or whatever acronym it is now, I know its changed but not to what to!).
Aren't we talking about people, who by DEFINITION, would fail a check!

Don't work in an industry that calls for CRB checks so have no direct experience... what am I misunderstanding here.

Even under the rehabilitation of offenders, just going to prison means you aren't rehabilitated in the eyes of the law for a while after being released (at least a year I believe).

Isn't this therefore just teasing these people... "here's a qualification! ... that you can't use!"

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Confused.... isn't a prerequiste to getting coaching qualifications passing a CRB check (or whatever acronym it is now, I know its changed but not to what to!).
Aren't we talking about people, who by DEFINITION, would fail a check!

Don't work in an industry that calls for CRB checks so have no direct experience... what am I misunderstanding here.

Even under the rehabilitation of offenders, just going to prison means you aren't rehabilitated in the eyes of the law for a while after being released (at least a year I believe).

Isn't this therefore just teasing these people... "here's a qualification! ... that you can't use!"

That would depend entirely on the nature of your conviction, and on the nature of the job you were applying for.

If you were inside for kiddie porn offences, then you will obviously fail a CRB check for any work that would bring you into contact with children, but having a conviction for tax avoidance isn't going to prevent you coaching an adult football team.

 

[Originunknown]

Confused.... isn't a prerequiste to getting coaching qualifications passing a CRB check (or whatever acronym it is now, I know its changed but not to what to!).
Aren't we talking about people, who by DEFINITION, would fail a check!

Don't work in an industry that calls for CRB checks so have no direct experience... what am I misunderstanding here.

Even under the rehabilitation of offenders, just going to prison means you aren't rehabilitated in the eyes of the law for a while after being released (at least a year I believe).

Isn't this therefore just teasing these people... "here's a qualification! ... that you can't use!"

Yes correct, there are safeguarding children modules and there would be a CRB or enhanced CRB requirement depending on the age group of coaching proposed.

This scheme I would have thought is more targeted to coaching non-minors.

 

[withdeanwombat]

That would depend entirely on the nature of your conviction, and on the nature of the job you were applying for.

If you were inside for kiddie porn offences, then you will obviously fail a CRB check for any work that would bring you into contact with children, but having a conviction for tax avoidance isn't going to prevent you coaching an adult football team.

Given Ronald, Messi and Xabi Alonso situation, this might help get a job!

 

[father_and_son]

Yes correct, there are safeguarding children modules and there would be a CRB or enhanced CRB requirement depending on the age group of coaching proposed.

This scheme I would have thought is more targeted to coaching non-minors.

Ok... get that. Aren't there considerably more opportunities to coach u18 than over? Doesn't any (un-rehabilitated) "breach of trust" type offence preclude you from working with children, not just the obvious ones (which permanently exclude you)?

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

Ok... get that. Aren't there considerably more opportunities to coach u18 than over? Doesn't any (un-rehabilitated) "breach of trust" type offence preclude you from working with children, not just the obvious ones (which permanently exclude you)?

I'd say there are a lot of opportunity to coach both - you just need to look at all the teams in Sussex who have a first team and reserves. If you are talking about paid positions, then that is probably true re u18 opportunities. I reckon the point of this is to give qualifications for prisoners to gain confidence and the ability to take part in something positive in an area that they enjoy. Seems like a good idea to me.

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

Anything that looks at rehabilitating offenders and giving them tools to support them both in work and social integration should be applauded; all to often we look at the punishment and want this to be harsh and strict without looking at the reasons the person ended up there in the first place and what tools we can give them to help prevent a recurrence.

 

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[BNthree]

https://twitter.com/henrywinter/status/1087986565786337280?s=19

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Like HKFC says CRB check just checks they haven't got convictions for being a nonce.

 

[Knocky's Nose]

You don't think BHAFC would just wander into a prison, pick nine convicted kiddly fiddlers - then train them up as coaches for Under 9 teams, do you? There will be a lot of thought going into this.

I think it's a great idea. People generally offend for a reason, and when shunned by society upon their release their only option is to revert to what they did previously.. They end up back inside, costing the tax payer a fortune - and the cycle of offending repeats itself.

Yes, there are 'basket cases' who belong behind bars forever - but there are some decent people who deserve a second chance. This is a good step towards helping them.

 

[timbha]

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Like HKFC says CRB check just checks they haven't got convictions for being a nonce.

Aren’t we getting a bit confused here between CRB (Now DBS) checks and the Sex Offenders Registers?

 

[father_and_son]

I'd say there are a lot of opportunity to coach both - you just need to look at all the teams in Sussex who have a first team and reserves. If you are talking about paid positions, then that is probably true re u18 opportunities. I reckon the point of this is to give qualifications for prisoners to gain confidence and the ability to take part in something positive in an area that they enjoy. Seems like a good idea to me.

Absolutely agree... this was why it confused me and seemed like teasing these guys by training them to do something they then can't do. Like I said, don't really know much about CRB checks and what does or doesn't exclude you from stuff... just guessing that if you don't get a clean CRB check you are pretty much excluded from whatever it was that required you to be checked!

 

[BNthree]

Aren’t we getting a bit confused here between CRB (Now DBS) checks and the Sex Offenders Registers?

I'm not getting confused but maybe others are! I work in IT and have had to set up a customer's PC with all the security software so they could run CRB checks on potential teachers. They explained the whole process to me while I was there. For people working with kids the check is for convictions of abuse against kid, not just if they have a criminal record.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I know a bit about DBS checks. The law was changed at end of 2012 and CRB checks were replaced with DBS checks. There are 3 levels:

Basic
Standard
Enhanced (with or without barred lists)

Basically if you're convicted of certain offences now, it will be filtered out from all DBS records after 11 years and won't show even on Standard or Enhanced checks, which show up all 'spent' offences. Some offences however will never be filtered even if 'spent' and DBS checks will show these and obviously barred lists refer to sexual offences/child related offences etc and some offenders therefore are barred with working with children/vulnerable adults.

 

[Ernest]

What's wrong with sewing mail bags and breaking rocks

 

[ManOfSussex]

There's more about it all here on their website that explains it. - https://www.twinningproject.co.uk/

It's not just football based qualifications they're offering and for those that do follow the football qualification route when inside, it's about also about raising self esteem when serving time.

The press release is here - https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/2c8a98_ab656c6f3d434ae1996a7c2b6df58c55.pdf

Unsurprisingly Albion are to be twinned with HMP Lewes

 

[Gwylan]

I know a bit about DBS checks. The law was changed at end of 2012 and CRB checks were replaced with DBS checks. There are 3 levels:

Basic
Standard
Enhanced (with or without barred lists)

Basically if you're convicted of certain offences now, it will be filtered out from all DBS records after 11 years and won't show even on Standard or Enhanced checks, which show up all 'spent' offences. Some offences however will never be filtered even if 'spent' and DBS checks will show these and obviously barred lists refer to sexual offences/child related offences etc and some offenders therefore are barred with working with children/vulnerable adults.

It's not just convictions, if you've been cautioned for certain offences then these will also show on a DBS check.

The other strange thing about DBS checks is that there's not one single one for all eventualities. I've been the DBS process three times (as an adoptive parent, a rugby coach and a cricket coach). If I were to become a teacher or a scout leader, I'd need to go through one again.

I think offering coaching and reffing qualifications is a great idea, anything that gives them a step back into the post-prison world is a great idea.

 

[ManOfSussex]

It's not just convictions, if you've been cautioned for certain offences then these will also show on a DBS check.

The other strange thing about DBS checks is that there's not one single one for all eventualities. I've been the DBS process three times (as an adoptive parent, a rugby coach and a cricket coach). If I were to become a teacher or a scout leader, I'd need to go through one again.

I think offering coaching and reffing qualifications is a great idea, anything that gives them a step back into the post-prison world is a great idea.

That's true. The caution filtering, if applicable, is 6 years though, not 11 as for a conviction. Both are less if you were under 18 at the time of it happening.

I think it was on Sky Sports News a while back I saw it on, but it showed David Dein and Tony Adams in a prison talking to offenders when this was launched - they were holding court and peoples interest in what they were saying far more than any probation officer or other probation service provider could. It is genuinely a great idea as you say.

 

[timbha]

I'm not getting confused but maybe others are! I work in IT and have had to set up a customer's PC with all the security software so they could run CRB checks on potential teachers. They explained the whole process to me while I was there. For people working with kids the check is for convictions of abuse against kid, not just if they have a criminal record.

Sorry mate, didn’t mean to link my response to your post. In my excitement to get my point across I cocked up