Albion in the Community Shield

[Tesco in Disguise]

brighton won what is now called the community shield in 1910. does anyone know what they had to acheive in order to play in this match?

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Not sure but we definately need a replica made for the Falmer trophy cabinet...in fact was a replica ever displayed in the Goldstone Trophy 'Cabinet'?

 

[El Presidente]

I think it was because we won the Southern League that year

 

[LANGDON SEAGULL]

In those days, it was Southern League v Football League. We beat Villa 1-0.

Both leagues were seen then as almost on a par with each other, with the Southern league set up as a rival to the Northern based Football league.

Shame it wasnt kept like this, as we would have enjoyed Sunderland v Histon at the Millennium last weekend

 

[dunno]

I thought it was because the cup winners couldn't play that year, hence the Albion as Southern League winners played instead. After it was won all the local press declared us as Champions of England 'cos we defeated the then Champions - Villa

 

[Lord Bracknell]

From the BBC website:-

The competition's original format differs greatly from the current one.

When the first Charity Shield match was played in 1908 between Manchester United, the then reigning Football League Champions, and Queens Park Rangers, then Southern League Champions, it was professionals versus amateurs.

This format was continued for many years and often featured teams that were assembled on a one-off basis.

Back then the games were largely informal, often played at the end of the season at neutral venues, or at the home ground of one of the teams involved.

It was then moved to coincide with the start of the new season in 1959, and has kept its place in the English football calendar ever since.

In 1974, Ted Croker, the FA Secretary, proposed that the Charity Shield should be played at Wembley, and assume the role of official curtain-raiser to the season.

Since then, the game has been staged at Wembley, until switching to Cardiff's Millennium Stadium this season for the meeting between Premiership champions Manchester United and FA Cup holders Liverpool as the redevelopment of the national stadium takes place.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

And from Wikipedia:-


The FA Community Shield (formerly the Charity Shield) is an English association football trophy. It is contested in an annual match between the champions of the FA Premier League and the winners of the FA Cup. If a team wins The Double (both the Premiership and the FA Cup), the Double winner plays the Premier League runner-up. Traditionally the game is played on the weekend before the start of the regular domestic season. Currently, the game is played at Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, Wales whilst Wembley Stadium is undergoing reconstruction.

The cup was first played for in 1908, replacing the Sheriff of London Charity Shield that had been introduced in 1898. It continued the professionals versus amateurs basis of the earlier cup (the gentlemen and players tradition). The first match was between Manchester United and Queens Park Rangers. The competition was not highly regarded, the games were informal, end-of-season clashes with both teams often assembled just for the game.

As time progressed, the professionals v. amateurs basis was dropped, and the competition format gradually evolved to become one between the FA Cup and League winners (although Southern League champions and Division Two winners were also occasionally involved) by about 1930; this format has been retained since, with the exception of the 1950 Shield, which involved the England World Cup XI against an FA team that had toured Canada that summer.

The date of the game was moved to the start of the season in 1959, and in 1974 then FA secretary, Ted Croker, created the current format with the game being played at the national stadium and the monies raised at the gate going to charity. The game is decided on the day with extra-time and a penalty shoot-out if the scores are level, though until 1993 the cup was shared if the game was drawn (with the exception of the 1974 match, which Liverpool won on penalties after a 1-1 draw).

The competition was renamed the Community Shield in 2002. A small scandal surrounding questionable distribution of monies raised for charities by the match led to a renaming of the match as part of a reform of the competition.

The most successful teams in the competition are Manchester United, winners on fifteen occasions (including shares). The highest scoring game was Manchester United's 8 - 4 win against Swindon Town in 1911.


Winners
Year Team
2005 Arsenal (FA Cup) to play Chelsea (Premiership)
2004 Arsenal
2003 Manchester United
2002 Arsenal
2001 Liverpool
2000 Chelsea
1999 Arsenal
1998 Arsenal
1997 Manchester United
1996 Manchester United
1995 Everton
1994 Manchester United
1993 Manchester United
1992 Leeds United
1991 Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur (shared)
1990 Liverpool and Manchester United (shared)
1989 Liverpool
1988 Liverpool
1987 Everton
1986 Everton and Liverpool (shared)
1985 Everton
1984 Everton
1983 Manchester United
1982 Liverpool
1981 Aston Villa and Tottenham Hotspur (shared)
1980 Liverpool
1979 Liverpool
1978 Nottingham Forest
1977 Liverpool and Manchester United (shared)
1976 Liverpool
1975 Derby County
1974 Liverpool
1973 Burnley
1972 Manchester City
1971 Leicester City
1970 Everton
1969 Leeds United
1968 Manchester City
1967 Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur (shared)
1966 Liverpool
1965 Manchester United and Liverpool (shared)
1964 Liverpool and West Ham United (shared)
1963 Everton
1962 Tottenham Hotspur
1961 Tottenham Hotspur
1960 Burnley and Wolverhampton Wanderers (shared)
1959 Wolverhampton Wanderers
1958 Bolton Wanderers
1957 Manchester United
1956 Manchester United
1955 Chelsea
1954 Wolverhampton Wanderers and West Bromwich Albion (shared)
1953 Arsenal
1952 Manchester United
1951 Tottenham Hotspur
1950 World Cup Team
1949 Portsmouth and Wolverhampton Wanderers (shared)
1948 Arsenal
1938 Arsenal
1937 Manchester City
1936 Sunderland
1935 Sheffield Wednesday
1934 Arsenal
1933 Arsenal
1932 Everton
1931 Arsenal
1930 Arsenal
1929 Professionals
1928 Everton
1927 Cardiff City
1926 Amateurs
1925 Amateurs
1924 Professionals
1923 Professionals
1922 Huddersfield Town
1921 Tottenham Hotspur
1920 West Bromwich Albion
1913 Professionals
1912 Blackburn Rovers
1911 Manchester United
1910 Brighton & Hove Albion
1909 Newcastle United
1908 Manchester United

 

[Tesco in Disguise]

but were brighton amateurs in 1910?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Not sure but we definately need a replica made for the Falmer trophy cabinet...in fact was a replica ever displayed in the Goldstone Trophy 'Cabinet'?

I'm not sure about replica trophies. There's surely something special about the real thing that is lost if there are hundreds of similar objects floating around football clubs all over the country.

I remember going to watch Newport County beat Crawley Town in the last game of the season at the Broadfield Stadium a year or so back. Before the match, Crawley paraded the Southern League Shield (which they had won as champions of what was by then called the Doc Martens League).

There was something special about that being the very same Shield that the Albion had won so long ago, that had led to us winning the Charity Shield in 1910.

It wouldn't have been the same if there had been a copy on permanent display in an Albion trophy cupboard.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

but were brighton amateurs in 1910?

More copy and paste from Wikipedia:-

Southern Football League

The Southern League is an English football league for semi-professional and amateur teams.

History

Professional football (and professional sport in general) developed more slowly in southern England than was the case in the north. Professionalism was sanctioned by the Football Association as early as 1885, but when the Football League was founded in 1888 it was based entirely in the north and midlands, the establishment and county FA's in the south being firmly opposed to professionalism.

Royal Arsenal (nowadays simply Arsenal) were the first London club to turn professional in 1891, and were one of the prime motivators behind an attempt to set up a Southern League to mirror the existing Northern- and Midlands-based Football League. However, this venture failed in the face of opposition from the London FA, and Royal Arsenal (by then renamed Woolwich Arsenal) joined the Football League as its only representative south of Birmingham in 1893.

Nonetheless, after an abortive attempt the previous year, the Southern League, a competition for both professional and amateur clubs, was founded in 1894 and soon became the dominant competition outside the Football League in southern and central England. Whilst still a Southern League club, Tottenham Hotspur became the first and so far only team to win the FA Cup after the establishment of the league as a non-league club; this happened in 1901, although Southampton reached the final in 1900 and 1902 showing the strength of the Southern League. The relative strengths of the two leagues was during this period elucidated through the annual Charity Shield. In 1920, virtually the entire top division of the Southern League was absorbed by the Football League to become that league's new Third Division. A year later this became the Third Division (South), the delay in the incorporation of the Third Division (North) being due to the lack of an overall coherent structure in the North outside of the Football League.

For the next six decades, the Football League and Southern League would exchange a limited number of clubs as a result of the older league's re-election process. From 1920 on, the Southern League's status as a semi-professional league was firmly established.

With its clubs seeking a more regular means of advancing to the Football League, in 1979 the Southern League became a feeder to the new Football Conference along with the Isthmian League and the Northern Premier League, and the top Southern clubs of the day joined the new league. In turn, the Conference would eventually succeed in become a feeder to the Football League. The league lost more of its top clubs in 2004 when the Conference added two regional divisions below the existing Conference National.

 

[Artois]

We are one of only 22 league teams to win the trophy outright.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

I'm not sure about replica trophies. There's surely something special about the real thing that is lost if there are hundreds of similar objects floating around football clubs all over the country.

I'd assumed that clubs such as Man Utd or Liverpool filled their trophy cabinets with replicas, or do they just contend with the real thing (FA Cup, Premiership Trophy etc.) as a temporary exhibit for the season during which they are holders etc.? Obviously Liverpool now have a 'real' Euro Cup as a permanent Anfield exhibit, but if you've ever visitited the ridiculous trophy cabinet at the Nou Camp many of those much surely be replicas (admittedly many are cups from mickey mouse tournaments)

 

[Lord Bracknell]

if you've ever visitited the ridiculous trophy cabinet at the Nou Camp many of those much surely be replicas (admittedly many are cups from mickey mouse tournaments)

Exactly my point.

Everyone who visits the Nou Camp can have their photograph taken holding the "European Cup". When I went, there wasn't even a steward on duty to keep an eye on it.

It was grubby, slightly battered, and not at all special.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Since the Albion are still the current champions of the Third Division (South), does anyone know where the trophy is?

 

[Everest]

Probably still at the silversmiths being fixed after one of the players sat on it.

 

[Spiros]

Exactly my point.

Everyone who visits the Nou Camp can have their photograph taken holding the "European Cup". When I went, there wasn't even a steward on duty to keep an eye on it.

It was grubby, slightly battered, and not at all special.

It would have to be a copy as only Real Madrid, AC Milan and now Liverpool have won it enough times to keep it.

 

[Yoda]

When it was Southern League Winners vs National League Winners, weren't the winners then dubbed Champions of England?

 

[dougdeep]

When it was Southern League Winners vs National League Winners, weren't the winners then dubbed Champions of England?

Indeed.Brighton were in fact the only southern league team to win it during this format.

 

[Yoda]

Indeed.Brighton were in fact the only southern league team to win it during this format.

Let's nick Leeds' chant then!

"We are teh Champions, Champions of ENGLAND"

 

[Reinelt 62]

From the BBC website:-

The competition's original format differs greatly from the current one.

When the first Charity Shield match was played in 1908 between Manchester United, the then reigning Football League Champions, and Queens Park Rangers, then Southern League Champions, it was professionals versus amateurs.

This format was continued for many years and often featured teams that were assembled on a one-off basis.

Back then the games were largely informal, often played at the end of the season at neutral venues, or at the home ground of one of the teams involved.

It was then moved to coincide with the start of the new season in 1959, and has kept its place in the English football calendar ever since.

Load of palpable nonsense from the BBC.

When we won the Charity Shield in 1910 the match against Villa was played at the start of the following 1910-11 season, as the Community Shield is played for today, and contemporary reports of the match suggest that both sides were more than up for it, with a large contingent of excited Albion "excursionists" making the Monday afternoon trip to Stamford Bridge.