'Al-Qaeda ringleader' wins appeal against deportation

[Wilko]

BBC News - 'Al-Qaeda ringleader' wins appeal against deportation

Now, I normally consider myself to be quite a liberal person but please, can anyone to me on this board justify or agree with the decision in this case?

 

[clippedgull]

So a potential terrorist has been given safe harbour in the UK? We must be the laughing stock of the civilised world.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Its because he may be tortured in Pakistan.


Like anyone gives a f***.

 

[Wilko]

So a potential terrorist has been given safe harbour in the UK? We must be the laughing stock of the civilised world.

Yes, but he cannot be sent to his home country because it is dangerous FFS :US::US:

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I've always wondered how one proves that they face torture or risk of death. On religious grounds, one can begin to believe that one faces grave danger and a known Homosexual returning to various Islamic countries etc. But what is his story?

 

[Rookie]

Happens quite a lot just so happens that this one has made the press.

 

[The Wizard]

Probably because we'd be accused of being racist or something if we deport him.


What a f***ing joke we live in.

 

[Gerbil]

Everybody's to worried that they may be called "rascist" because he's Asian, so let's let him do what the f*** he wants, what a f***ing pathetic country we live in.

 

[captainmorganrum]

"But no explosives were found and all of the men were released without charge after two weeks. "

"The e-mails were said to be at the heart of the plot and culminated in a message sent to Pakistan in April 2009 in which Mr Naseer said he had set a date to marry, something MI5 said was code for an attack date. "

"The security services believed the men were planning to attack within days of their arrest, but neither was charged."

 

[public school boy]

You get into big trouble for turning a couple of Gays away from your B&B but it's ok allow a terrorist to stay in the UK. Come on Cameron get a grip

 

[Insel affe]

"But no explosives were found and all of the men were released without charge after two weeks. "

"The e-mails were said to be at the heart of the plot and culminated in a message sent to Pakistan in April 2009 in which Mr Naseer said he had set a date to marry, something MI5 said was code for an attack date. "

"The security services believed the men were planning to attack within days of their arrest, but neither was charged."

" A special immigration court said Abid Naseer was an al-Qaeda operative - but could not be deported because he faced torture or death back home in Pakistan. "


f*** him and them if its true, i dont care send them to hell in a hand cart...

 

[captainmorganrum]

f*** him and them if its true, i dont care send them to hell in a hand cart...

That's a pretty big if.
You're condemning somone to death if you're wrong.

If there's evidence then yes, charge the feckers, fact is three of them are back in Pakistan voluntarily, so they're not our problem anymore.

 

[cunning fergus]

Surprised this is news to be fair this country's justice system is seriously f***ed up.

From the Afghanis who hijacked a plane and held passengers for over 70 hours were imprsioned for just 5 years and have been given leave to remain on the UK.

To the decision not to pursue the Libyan who killed Yvonne Fletcher.

Then we have the best of all I give you Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi.

Surprised this never came up at the election.............the Labour and SNP politicians involved in this carve up of justice should be publicly horsewhipped.

 

[OzMike]

Thought the Tories would step in and lead by example or have I confused them with an organisation with a spine.

 

[bhaexpress]

All well and good but the charges were dropped. Does seem that British Intelligence is an oxymoron.

 

[adrian29uk]

This is what I am saying. Its the Tories chance to shine and set an example and kick this wanker out of our country today. I'm sorry but there should be no ifs or buts for people like this. Anyone and I mean connected with terrorism should be removed and deported from this country.

 

[bhaexpress]

This is what I am saying. Its the Tories chance to shine and set an example and kick this wanker out of our country today. I'm sorry but there should be no ifs or buts for people like this. Anyone and I mean connected with terrorism should be removed and deported from this country.

The problem is though that as no charges were pressed and there has been no conviction we cannot legally deport this scum.

 

[Kumquat]

Basically they didn't have enough evidence to convict and these people will be tortured if they go back. now I know lots of people wouldn't care if they wer tortured or not but personally i'm proud that I live in a country that can make decisions based on a moral code. For me the correct decision here given 1) they have not been found guilty 2) they will be tortured if they go home; is to keep them here and under surveillance. yes, that is expensive but the real lesson here is not that we should send suspected al qaeda operatives back home regardless of their asylum credentials but that we should make sure we have enough evidence before trying to convict them.

 

[The Wizard]

Basically they didn't have enough evidence to convict and these people will be tortured if they go back. now I know lots of people wouldn't care if they wer tortured or not but personally i'm proud that I live in a country that can make decisions based on a moral code. For me the correct decision here given 1) they have not been found guilty 2) they will be tortured if they go home; is to keep them here and under surveillance. yes, that is expensive but the real lesson here is not that we should send suspected al qaeda operatives back home regardless of their asylum credentials but that we should make sure we have enough evidence before trying to convict them.

The guy was plotting to bomb our country and is one of Al-Qaeda's links in the uk. Still lets keep him here so he can plan more terrorist attacks. f*** the moral code, why should he get human rights, he lost his human rights when he joined the scum that is Al-Qaeda.

 

[Kumquat]

The issue is not human rights and deportation. It's the fact that he wasn't charged with a criminal offence. now i presume that membership of an al qaeda cell in Britain is an offence punishable by prison. If it is, they clearly can't prove it and if it isn't and the can prove it, maybe they should make it a criminal offence and imprison him. Whatever happens, we will not be able to deport him, not just under our human rights act but also the european convention of human rights. Tories are currently looking at the ECHR to see if they can manipulate the wording to allow deportation in the event of a threat to national security. But essentially this is no different from guantanamo. People held for crimes they may have been planning but have not been proved. Being "satisfied" he is an al qaeda operative is not enough. the evidence they had was that he was "communicating" with an al qaeda operative and it wasn't enough to convict.