Airbus tells UK employees a vote to leave EU could make it rethink future

[melias shoes]

See post 40 intelligent courageous man

I've read post 40 and, yes, you are right the world will keep spinning no matter what the outcome.

 

[Machiavelli]

seriously, you want some evidence that most world pollution and population is outside the EU think i'll leave it.

Well, I misread that post of yours, but I still remain of the view that climate change will be more easily solved by a Europe speaking with one voice and with a collective institution than otherwise

 

[Machiavelli]

The SNP have since accepted that during the referendum campaign they exaggerated how much money Scotland could earn from oil (by over 13 times) and that was before the current price crash.

The SNP would also have to explain to the Scots why joining the euro is now the best option, given that it was not the choice they wanted to offer them previously.

If Scotland was so pro EU they would have offered the euro........they are not, Brexit won't change that.

Broadly the SNP is an anti Labour vote, not an pro Independence vote.........the referendum was proof of that.

Very poor effort.

You've seen the opinion polls on Scottish voters on the EU, and those that view themselves as English rather than British on the very same issue?

 

[El Presidente]

I take it your uni isn't one of those that regularly bans speakers for holding alternative opinions ?

Only if the speaker was Kelvin Mackenzie and the topic was Hillsborough.


Odious individual that bloke, with no redeeming qualities.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Where is all this positivity that the Leave camp have come up with? So far all I have seen is accusations of scaremongering and 'Project Fear' followed by their own attempt at scaremongering followed by accusations of scaremongering and 'Project Fear'. As far as I can see there is no clear vision of what the country will look like out of the EU. Just a load of shaky promises that nothing will change from before apart from their will be more barbed wire on the cliff tops and a bigger que at the dole office. Not my idea of paradise. Think I'll stick with the Erasmus programme, enshrined workers rights and standing with our fellow Europeans at a time when we should be standing together, not drawing lines on the map. Isolationism has a terrible history and would be a sad route for our country to follow.

I also reckon Andrew Rawnsley is right about this, if you are whinging, you are losing. See the Scottish referendum and Labour's election defeat as recent evidence.

Very well put. Can't disagree with any of this.

As an aside I have to say I was expected a bit more from Boris, Farage, Gove and Galloway. Is "project fear" really the best they can come up with? They're a busted-flush.

 

[cunning fergus]

The US are moaning because the EU are doing their job and helping member countries by cross-border investment in manufacturing? What point are you trying to make exactly?

Not quite my little kartoffelkloesse.

The World Trade Organisation said such subsidies were illegal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10463761

To some extent of course, as an old socialist I have no truck with state subsidies per se, however it's the f***ing EU that made them illegal, so their whole policy is a right old hypocritical mess.

What is really galling of course is that all this money the EU is throwing around includes UK taxpayers money. If the Europeans want to plough their money into this capitalist merry go round then let them.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

well since he was banned from the other EU thread i thought you would be happy to hear his thoughts again.
gives you a whole new set of opportunities to report his posts again

For the record I didn't report his posts.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Well, I misread that post of yours, but I still remain of the view that climate change will be more easily solved by a Europe speaking with one voice and with a collective institution than otherwise

Of course it will. And Europe will lead the way.

 

[lawros left foot]

Scaremongering? Nonsense - it's more of a threat. 'Behave yourselves, vote the 'right' way or some of you may lose your jobs in the future' - though to be fair to them they are committing themselves to retain their activities in the UK.

This is my problem with the whole'scaremongering' thing.
If you believe the country will be in a worse state if we leave, which is quite plausible, as no one knows how it would pan out, and you give the electorate the bad news, you are scaremongering, but if you believe we should quit, you can't really say thst it is going to be anything but peaches and cream, because otherwise it wrecks your whole argument.
To agree with the outers, you have got to have a lot more faith in them to agree new trade deals, quickly, to protect the pound, and to come with an amicable settlement with Brussels, than I've got. That isn't scaremongering, thats reality.

 

[pastafarian]

Where is all this positivity that the Leave camp have come up with? So far all I have seen is accusations of scaremongering and 'Project Fear' followed by their own attempt at scaremongering followed by accusations of scaremongering and 'Project Fear'. As far as I can see there is no clear vision of what the country will look like out of the EU. Just a load of shaky promises that nothing will change from before apart from their will be more barbed wire on the cliff tops and a bigger que at the dole office. Not my idea of paradise. Think I'll stick with the Erasmus programme, enshrined workers rights and standing with our fellow Europeans at a time when we should be standing together, not drawing lines on the map. Isolationism has a terrible history and would be a sad route for our country to follow.

I also reckon Andrew Rawnsley is right about this, if you are whinging, you are losing. See the Scottish referendum and Labour's election defeat as recent evidence.

If you had been paying attention the outers have all been talking about forging partnerships across the globe free from Brussels intervention.
how on earth can you with any seriousness say this is a policy of isolationism.......it is the exact opposite.

please tell me this is just a daft buzzword you let slip in by mistake

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If you had been paying attention the outers have all been talking about forging partnerships across the globe free from Brussels intervention.
how on earth can you with any seriousness say this is a policy of isolationism.......it is the exact opposite.

please tell me this is just a daft buzzword you let slip in by mistake

I have missed this. But fair enough, I'm willing to listen; which countries are we talking about?

 

[beorhthelm]

Of course it will. And Europe will lead the way.

when do you think they will start?

 

[Machiavelli]

Not quite my little kartoffelkloesse.

The World Trade Organisation said such subsidies were illegal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10463761

To some extent of course, as an old socialist I have no truck with state subsidies per se, however it's the f***ing EU that made them illegal, so their whole policy is a right old hypocritical mess.

What is really galling of course is that all this money the EU is throwing around includes UK taxpayers money. If the Europeans want to plough their money into this capitalist merry go round then let them.

That the EU has voted to adopt neoliberal policies says everything about the politicians in the EU, and nothing to do with its constitutional structure.
That the UK has voted to adopt neoliberal policies says everything about the politicians in the UK, and nothing to do with its constitutional structure.

 

[El Presidente]

As far as the vote is concerned surely just vote with your conscience.

If you believe the democratic deficit of EU membership as being paramount then it's logical to vote out.

If you believe the economic arguments of being in the EU are correct then vote in.

The petty sniping, name calling and sensationalism from both sides is very depressing and a indictment of modern politics and politicians.

 

[Fitzcarraldo]

If you had been paying attention the outers have all been talking about forging partnerships across the globe free from Brussels intervention.
how on earth can you with any seriousness say this is a policy of isolationism.......it is the exact opposite.

please tell me this is just a daft buzzword you let slip in by mistake

That's a very grand way of describing Nigel Farage going and speaking at Tea Party convention.

It's not a daft buzzword. You might not like it, but it is what you are advocating.

 

[cunning fergus]

You've seen the opinion polls on Scottish voters on the EU, and those that view themselves as English rather than British on the very same issue?

No, I don't care about polls..........we know where obsessing about polls got the Labour Party last year.

The results of the actual independence referendum were unequivocal, the scots wanted the pound not the euro.

They didn't want independence from the rest of the U.K.

They didn't buy the SNP's argument that they would benefit from their oil.

If the vote is to leave, on all reasonable considerations the Scots would not vote to join the EU outside the UK.

 

[beorhthelm]

This is my problem with the whole'scaremongering' thing.
If you believe the country will be in a worse state if we leave, which is quite plausible, as no one knows how it would pan out, and you give the electorate the bad news, you are scaremongering, but if you believe we should quit, you can't really say thst it is going to be anything but peaches and cream, because otherwise it wrecks your whole argument.
To agree with the outers, you have got to have a lot more faith in them to agree new trade deals, quickly, to protect the pound, and to come with an amicable settlement with Brussels, than I've got. That isn't scaremongering, thats reality.

nice straw man you've constucted yourself there. no one (that i have heard) on the out camp is saying that leaving is going to peaches they are saying its managable, we can do this with minimal impact to economy and have a substantial politcal upside. the Remain camp talk only of the predicted tradegy of leaving and stay silent on the loss of sovereignty. they dont even mention "the deal" anymore, i presume because they know its a fig leaf that doesnt cover enough.

 

[cunning fergus]

For the record I didn't report his posts.

I don't doubt you.........but removed from the thread I have been, and the Brussels one.........not had the courtesy of being told why.

 

[melias shoes]

Well, I misread that post of yours, but I still remain of the view that climate change will be more easily solved by a Europe speaking with one voice and with a collective institution than otherwise

Perhaps they can talk to China and India about climate change. It seems to me they are the main instigators when it comes to pollution. No matter how the EU try to control it when you have these major polluters it seems to me until they fully comply it's a waste of time.

 

[Machiavelli]

No, I don't care about polls..........we know where obsessing about polls got the Labour Party last year.

The results of the actual independence referendum were unequivocal, the scots wanted the pound not the euro.

They didn't want independence from the rest of the U.K.

They didn't buy the SNP's argument that they would benefit from their oil.

If the vote is to leave, on all reasonable considerations the Scots would not vote to join the EU outside the UK.

You can carry on ignoring polls and even votes if you wish, and you can also interpret the results of votes in your own way. I'll choose to ignore the latter.